Full Version: Adding Acetone To Fuel
I have an 03 Yaris 1.4D-4D and I am intending to fit a fuel-rail power box soon.
But first of all I wanted to see how much power and/or economy I can get from adding pure Acetone to each 45 Litre tank of fuel.
A Google search on the potential gains has loads of articles, but this link is pretty good:
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005...900069_Acetone/
I aim to add between 18 mililitres first, potentially up to 72 ml per 45L tank (less if often better by reports...)
Anyone tried this yet? I'd be keen to see if will help tweaked 1.4D-4D's go even better with acetone.
btw.. I got a gallon for 12 quid from a Dulux paint shop. Very cheap.
Very intersting read! dont think im brave enough to try it though
Well, filled up with the Acetone in, done just 15 miles tonight (its late).
One effect was after about 5 miles (running unmixed diesel thru the pipes?) the sort of crackly 'pinking' type noises I used to get (since the car was new) accelerating under load have gone completely -they just don't show at all now even when I try to induce them.
Feels very smooth indeed. Haven't caned it to try any subjective power-improvement tests as I'm going to try to assess mileage gain the first few tanks.
So, very optimistic, will keep posted
One effect was after about 5 miles (running unmixed diesel thru the pipes?) the sort of crackly 'pinking' type noises I used to get (since the car was new) accelerating under load have gone completely -they just don't show at all now even when I try to induce them.
Feels very smooth indeed. Haven't caned it to try any subjective power-improvement tests as I'm going to try to assess mileage gain the first few tanks.
So, very optimistic, will keep posted
Felt a need to update! After just 150 miles I have a noticeable improvement in power. Considering I am driving for mileage just now I was surprised to notice a power gain, but it is there and I am certain it is not wishful thinking. The smoothness of the diesel engine is also a big change -and the engine was a great one before.
I'll be back...
I'll be back...
Well, I'm blown away... Considering the following:
1. The whole 566 mile before re-fuel (2 bars still showing) run was 'urban' cycle, mostly city-and-lights stuff with the odd steep hill climb stuff over the local moors.
2. I always have air-cond on.
3. (major embarrassment) I just checked the tires when I filled up, I mean they LOOKED okay, but 22 psi front (should be 33) and 18 rear (should be 30). This latter would have cost a lot of fuel, yes I am daft for not checking.
So bearing in mind all of the above, which aren't trivial, I still got 68mpg (UK Gallons).
The power increase is the biggest smile, I'm not jokin' it is really obvious. I wish I had the money to try the motor on a rolling road to verify it, but I don't, so have to stick with the subjective test.
I wonder if I was one of the D-4D users who can do lots of motorway driving, with proper tire pressures, might get serious mileage from a tank compared to no-acetone.
Anyone else gonna try it? Just one word for petrol users, you have to make sure your brand of petro; does NOT have any ethanol mixed in with it. Apparently these ethanol-doctored brands totally stops the gains from acetone happening.
Now I am gonna try the next tank for pure 'fun' driving and see how this goes. Will report back again.
1. The whole 566 mile before re-fuel (2 bars still showing) run was 'urban' cycle, mostly city-and-lights stuff with the odd steep hill climb stuff over the local moors.
2. I always have air-cond on.
3. (major embarrassment) I just checked the tires when I filled up, I mean they LOOKED okay, but 22 psi front (should be 33) and 18 rear (should be 30). This latter would have cost a lot of fuel, yes I am daft for not checking.
So bearing in mind all of the above, which aren't trivial, I still got 68mpg (UK Gallons).
The power increase is the biggest smile, I'm not jokin' it is really obvious. I wish I had the money to try the motor on a rolling road to verify it, but I don't, so have to stick with the subjective test.
I wonder if I was one of the D-4D users who can do lots of motorway driving, with proper tire pressures, might get serious mileage from a tank compared to no-acetone.
Anyone else gonna try it? Just one word for petrol users, you have to make sure your brand of petro; does NOT have any ethanol mixed in with it. Apparently these ethanol-doctored brands totally stops the gains from acetone happening.
Now I am gonna try the next tank for pure 'fun' driving and see how this goes. Will report back again.
Goes MUCH quicker, this is very amusing, all for about 5 pence worth of acetone, and from what have read, I should get better emissions and a cleaner engine.
Very noticeable on the hillclimbs up to the moors, seems to have bags more torque. BTW, applied 50 mililitres this time to the full tank.
This is a right old lark.
Very noticeable on the hillclimbs up to the moors, seems to have bags more torque. BTW, applied 50 mililitres this time to the full tank.
This is a right old lark.
Well this is interesting and I will be seriously tempted to try this out. Mainly because such a miniscule amount of addative (acetone) of 50milli litres really can not do any damage. Are you sure about the ratio being correct? as that is only about 10 TEASPOONS.
I would be amazed to be able to find any difference in performance on 2 counts:-
1st that such a minute amount I would have thought would be unmeasurable to detect performance wise although having said that this could actually be rocket science as even the tinniest trace elements can have dramatic effects when combined with other chemicals.
But secondly, acetone burns at a really low temperature, I have used it for magical effects like slowly putting my arm in the flames from acetone, something I would definately not do with diesel flames.
It is of course a much cleaner fuel but if as you say you are adding in such tiny amounts it is very hard to beleive unless one tries it for themselves but I will and let you know the results when my landcruiser 2.4 turbo diesel 2L-te engine is up and running. I have just sent the ECU off for repair as my engine check light refuses to go out and have lost total power to the point it would not drive off from a stand still! Ticks over alright once I managed to get the darn thing started.
Replaced :- turbo, injection pump, fuel filter, air filter, total rebuild of engine and checked to see if fuel could be sucked from the filter easily, so assumed it must be the ECU. Having sent this thing off for repair I have looked at various wiring diagrams and noticed that all the sensors lead to the ECU such as water temp oil pressure speed sensor throttle position sensor and turbo pressure, it might possibly be one of those that has been giving me a hard time but next week I will find out when I shove the ECU back in.
One thing I would dearly love to find out too is, is there a way of removing the ECU altogether and running the engine without it as I find the benefits of saving a tiny amount of fuel over a very long way to be worthless if you have to send the ECU off for repair with a bill of around £300 a time. For the amount of driving I do this is pointless!!! and a mechanical object can be much easier to fault find than a darned computer. I have at home a 386 computer which is still running like a dream, But I also have a windows 98 that is corrupt as hell and has a mind of its own, I wonder if toyota had some kindling with microsoft?
I would be amazed to be able to find any difference in performance on 2 counts:-
1st that such a minute amount I would have thought would be unmeasurable to detect performance wise although having said that this could actually be rocket science as even the tinniest trace elements can have dramatic effects when combined with other chemicals.
But secondly, acetone burns at a really low temperature, I have used it for magical effects like slowly putting my arm in the flames from acetone, something I would definately not do with diesel flames.
It is of course a much cleaner fuel but if as you say you are adding in such tiny amounts it is very hard to beleive unless one tries it for themselves but I will and let you know the results when my landcruiser 2.4 turbo diesel 2L-te engine is up and running. I have just sent the ECU off for repair as my engine check light refuses to go out and have lost total power to the point it would not drive off from a stand still! Ticks over alright once I managed to get the darn thing started.
Replaced :- turbo, injection pump, fuel filter, air filter, total rebuild of engine and checked to see if fuel could be sucked from the filter easily, so assumed it must be the ECU. Having sent this thing off for repair I have looked at various wiring diagrams and noticed that all the sensors lead to the ECU such as water temp oil pressure speed sensor throttle position sensor and turbo pressure, it might possibly be one of those that has been giving me a hard time but next week I will find out when I shove the ECU back in.
One thing I would dearly love to find out too is, is there a way of removing the ECU altogether and running the engine without it as I find the benefits of saving a tiny amount of fuel over a very long way to be worthless if you have to send the ECU off for repair with a bill of around £300 a time. For the amount of driving I do this is pointless!!! and a mechanical object can be much easier to fault find than a darned computer. I have at home a 386 computer which is still running like a dream, But I also have a windows 98 that is corrupt as hell and has a mind of its own, I wonder if toyota had some kindling with microsoft?
Yes, I only add 50ml per 45 Litres. Check the link I gave earlier, or do some Google's on the subject. The measures for petrol and diesel are not the same, so I went from the chart that has the diesel ranges. 50ml seems to be pretty good upper range, I am on my second acetone treated tank now.
The flamability of acetone isn't where it works its magic. It reduces the surface tension of fuel, so that among other things, it vaporises much better in the combustion chamber, and has a very dramatic cleaning effect, hence the better power/economy in some cases. I say 'some cases' as from the web-trawling I have done, some engines seem to have no gains at all, so try it and see sort of thing.
Remember folks, if you use petrol, don't use brands which have alcohol mixed in, it won't work.
The flamability of acetone isn't where it works its magic. It reduces the surface tension of fuel, so that among other things, it vaporises much better in the combustion chamber, and has a very dramatic cleaning effect, hence the better power/economy in some cases. I say 'some cases' as from the web-trawling I have done, some engines seem to have no gains at all, so try it and see sort of thing.
Remember folks, if you use petrol, don't use brands which have alcohol mixed in, it won't work.
interesting
but at the end of the day acetone is just a very flammable solvent (ive sent my leg on fire with it)
i use methanol injection on my mr2, but you use 25% meth/water ratio
im tempting maybe trying just straight water with a few drops of acetone now as i can get it for free
anyone know the exact or equivelent rating of Octane in acetone?
but at the end of the day acetone is just a very flammable solvent (ive sent my leg on fire with it)
i use methanol injection on my mr2, but you use 25% meth/water ratio
im tempting maybe trying just straight water with a few drops of acetone now as i can get it for free
anyone know the exact or equivelent rating of Octane in acetone?
No dude! Don't use acetone with any fuel that has alcohol (methanol), it will be a waste of time as even a trace of methanol will counter the effect that acetone has on the surface tnsion.
I repeat, its' nowt' t'do with acetone being flamable, its all about the effect on the host fuel's surface tension being modified, so that there is a better air-fuel mix in the combustion chamber. That's all (aside from the improved cleaning and emissions).
If you are a petrol user, I'd be interested to lean which UK brands of petrol fuels aren't mixed with alcohol.
I repeat, its' nowt' t'do with acetone being flamable, its all about the effect on the host fuel's surface tension being modified, so that there is a better air-fuel mix in the combustion chamber. That's all (aside from the improved cleaning and emissions).
If you are a petrol user, I'd be interested to lean which UK brands of petrol fuels aren't mixed with alcohol.
oh
should have read the tech page a bit more closely
still acetone in the injection system, still worth a thought
should have read the tech page a bit more closely
still acetone in the injection system, still worth a thought
I'd be keen to see how petrol users get on, the chart in my link (start of post) suggests better power/economy gains from petrol engines.
btw, I keep my little pre-measured doses of acetone in those little 25cl glass bottles of wine with the long neck. I scoff the wine first of course. The long neck on these little bottles is ideal for keeping the acetone well away from the car paintwork when you pour it in the tank filler tube -acetone is a heavy duty paintstripper.
I'm well into my tank now that I am driving 'enthusiastically' wherever it is safe to do so. The gains to performance are such that I will probably use acetone for the life of my time with the D-4D. I will drop to 30ml per 45Litres next tank and try that, as I think I am still using a wee bit too much. This stuff is cheap as chips!
btw, I keep my little pre-measured doses of acetone in those little 25cl glass bottles of wine with the long neck. I scoff the wine first of course. The long neck on these little bottles is ideal for keeping the acetone well away from the car paintwork when you pour it in the tank filler tube -acetone is a heavy duty paintstripper.
I'm well into my tank now that I am driving 'enthusiastically' wherever it is safe to do so. The gains to performance are such that I will probably use acetone for the life of my time with the D-4D. I will drop to 30ml per 45Litres next tank and try that, as I think I am still using a wee bit too much. This stuff is cheap as chips!
Just filled up again after a tank of extremely enthusiastic driving. Still returned 57 mpg. That's normal for this motor, but the power gain was excellent.
Now trying just 40ml per 45L tank which will be for economy this time.
Now trying just 40ml per 45L tank which will be for economy this time.
Has anyone tried this with a petrol yet? 
And anybody know which petrols aren't mixed with Alcohol?
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Don't use acetone with any fuel that has alcohol (methanol), it will be a waste of time as even a trace of methanol will counter the effect that acetone has on the surface tnsion.
And anybody know which petrols aren't mixed with Alcohol?
Another update. Been through another 2 full tanks. Feel 50-60ml per 45 Litres is the best. I use 60 now all the time.
I tried it with BP Ultimate diesel just out of interest. This fuel does give a modest gain in power on its own (I've used it prior to discovering acetone despite the cost), but with the acetone is even better.
Honestly, it feels more than the gains I used to get in my cars during my younger years when I added a performance exhaust/air-filter (Golf Gti, then Xr2, Then Gsi vaux). The current 'before-after' feel I have in my diesel Yaris is more than I got in those days on those cars. Only subjective as ever, but I think I am getting at least 10-15bhp. I have also been in touch with the folk who modify the map on the Mini-D. They promise 105bhp and a whopping torque gain for under £200. This, plus my current acetone gain, might give me a 120bhp+ 1.4 diesel Yaris.... In such a lightweight car that should be pretty entertaining.
I tried it with BP Ultimate diesel just out of interest. This fuel does give a modest gain in power on its own (I've used it prior to discovering acetone despite the cost), but with the acetone is even better.
Honestly, it feels more than the gains I used to get in my cars during my younger years when I added a performance exhaust/air-filter (Golf Gti, then Xr2, Then Gsi vaux). The current 'before-after' feel I have in my diesel Yaris is more than I got in those days on those cars. Only subjective as ever, but I think I am getting at least 10-15bhp. I have also been in touch with the folk who modify the map on the Mini-D. They promise 105bhp and a whopping torque gain for under £200. This, plus my current acetone gain, might give me a 120bhp+ 1.4 diesel Yaris.... In such a lightweight car that should be pretty entertaining.
Still gettin' something (actually a lot) for next-to-nothing.
This post has been up for some time now, with a lot of views. But has anyone else on the list gone and tried adding acetone yet? To get significant extra power concurrently with extra fuel economy is pretty special dudes, give it a try. I've run about 11 full tanks with no problems, just more power, more mileage, a cleaner engine and at my 40K service (in a few days) I hope to see what the emissions are like -they should be way lower. A happy 2006 to you all.
This post has been up for some time now, with a lot of views. But has anyone else on the list gone and tried adding acetone yet? To get significant extra power concurrently with extra fuel economy is pretty special dudes, give it a try. I've run about 11 full tanks with no problems, just more power, more mileage, a cleaner engine and at my 40K service (in a few days) I hope to see what the emissions are like -they should be way lower. A happy 2006 to you all.
QUOTE(Nosh @ Jan 2 2006, 03:15 PM)
Still gettin' something (actually a lot) for next-to-nothing.
This post has been up for some time now, with a lot of views. But has anyone else on the list gone and tried adding acetone yet? To get significant extra power concurrently with extra fuel economy is pretty special dudes, give it a try. I've run about 11 full tanks with no problems, just more power, more mileage, a cleaner engine and at my 40K service (in a few days) I hope to see what the emissions are like -they should be way lower. A happy 2006 to you all.
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This post has been up for some time now, with a lot of views. But has anyone else on the list gone and tried adding acetone yet? To get significant extra power concurrently with extra fuel economy is pretty special dudes, give it a try. I've run about 11 full tanks with no problems, just more power, more mileage, a cleaner engine and at my 40K service (in a few days) I hope to see what the emissions are like -they should be way lower. A happy 2006 to you all.
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Keep us posted how it affects your emissions
Just collected the car. Despite being clearly asked, they forgot and never did the gas tests.
Well I am going to be brave enough to give this a try! I shall first try the acetone addition to my leyland 400 minibus just for a hoot lol. If it does what you claim I shall give it a thumbs up and get a nice bottle of wine for the pouring perpose of course, and thanks for the explanation that makes a lot more sense to me. It makes sense in as much as if you put just a single drop of washing up liquid to a bucket of greasy water that has been standing for a while you immediately see the surface tension release and the grease film will shoot outwards towards the outside of the container. It also works if a wasp is sitting on top of the water as soon as you put a drop of washing up liquid in the wasp sinks like a stone. I am looking forward to the results. My only concern with this is if the government get wind of this they will tax acetone out of all proportion 
I shall be back with my results shortly.
Many thanks
Chris.
I shall be back with my results shortly.
Many thanks
Chris.
QUOTE(mr chris @ Jan 13 2006, 06:10 PM) [snapback]482125[/snapback]
Well I am going to be brave enough to give this a try! I shall first try the acetone addition to my leyland 400 minibus just for a hoot lol. If it does what you claim I shall give it a thumbs up and get a nice bottle of wine for the pouring perpose of course, and thanks for the explanation that makes a lot more sense to me. It makes sense in as much as if you put just a single drop of washing up liquid to a bucket of greasy water that has been standing for a while you immediately see the surface tension release and the grease film will shoot outwards towards the outside of the container. It also works if a wasp is sitting on top of the water as soon as you put a drop of washing up liquid in the wasp sinks like a stone. I am looking forward to the results. My only concern with this is if the government get wind of this they will tax acetone out of all proportion
I shall be back with my results shortly.
Many thanks
Chris.
Keep us updated!
Has anyone tried this in their petrol engine yet?
Right then nosh,
You ain't gonna like me too much cus I have been drawn to the LDV site as I now own one
cus the Toyota landcruiser is bending the mechanics mind at the garage at
the moment had it there since November so bought a large LDV minibus to transport
me and the 4 kids!
If you look at my first 5 miles it concurs with yours almost to the letter!
I post under the name ldv 400 man
http://212.67.202.50/~aees/ldv-sherpa/view...c.php?p=504#504
I shall post back here to let you know what is going on but there will be a more
frequent post in the LDV site as to my opinions and results of Acetone.
Chris.
You ain't gonna like me too much cus I have been drawn to the LDV site as I now own one
cus the Toyota landcruiser is bending the mechanics mind at the garage at
the moment had it there since November so bought a large LDV minibus to transport
me and the 4 kids!
If you look at my first 5 miles it concurs with yours almost to the letter!
I post under the name ldv 400 man
http://212.67.202.50/~aees/ldv-sherpa/view...c.php?p=504#504
I shall post back here to let you know what is going on but there will be a more
frequent post in the LDV site as to my opinions and results of Acetone.
Chris.
Hi Chris
Had a peek at the other forum -hope more folks try it.
Just one mistake, I have a 1.4 engine not a 1.7
'On A Private Road' the motor now revs to 5200 rpm in 5th which it came nowhere near before. Mention of this is straining the credulity of other members who have been throwing Toyota's stock Yaris specs' at me, with no allowance for the fact I am running a powerbox and enhanced fuel.
Had a peek at the other forum -hope more folks try it.
Just one mistake, I have a 1.4 engine not a 1.7
'On A Private Road' the motor now revs to 5200 rpm in 5th which it came nowhere near before. Mention of this is straining the credulity of other members who have been throwing Toyota's stock Yaris specs' at me, with no allowance for the fact I am running a powerbox and enhanced fuel.
Sorry messed post
Well I know this stuff works been having a right ball today lol.
Definately more speed and power and much better idle. Havn't noted the miles
I have done yet, too engroced in this power bus I have just made. I can't beleive it
I have got to do some serious tests and results with the acetone but today just been
larking around giving it some. laughing my head off imagining if the bus actually had a full load of
passengers being thrown from side to side as I have been driving it like a man posessed! Sorry folks I simply coudn't control myself with this new toy. you gotta try this acetone This ldv bus is driving like a sports car! Cleaner on start up too.
These ldv buses are known to chuck some smoke up at start up and mine did but nowhere near as
much as before. I only put 30 ml into approx 15 gallons thats 70 litres so tommorow gonna
throw in another 30 ml. Should do even better mind you I can't see that there will be much more
room for improvement as it would be too dramatic I would think. Ok on the down side I still keep getting overtaken by the ford transits but ldv buses are not designed for speed just pulling power and I easily got 70 out of it today though rather noisy. and thats pretty good for one of these really. Thing I notice most of all though is when I put my foot down on the thottle the bus just starts to pick up very strongly and progressive, very noticeable improvement. Just very strong progressiveness. Makes ya feel like you got heaps of power under your foot.
Things are looking good
Chris.
Definately more speed and power and much better idle. Havn't noted the miles
I have done yet, too engroced in this power bus I have just made. I can't beleive it
I have got to do some serious tests and results with the acetone but today just been
larking around giving it some. laughing my head off imagining if the bus actually had a full load of
passengers being thrown from side to side as I have been driving it like a man posessed! Sorry folks I simply coudn't control myself with this new toy. you gotta try this acetone This ldv bus is driving like a sports car! Cleaner on start up too.
These ldv buses are known to chuck some smoke up at start up and mine did but nowhere near as
much as before. I only put 30 ml into approx 15 gallons thats 70 litres so tommorow gonna
throw in another 30 ml. Should do even better mind you I can't see that there will be much more
room for improvement as it would be too dramatic I would think. Ok on the down side I still keep getting overtaken by the ford transits but ldv buses are not designed for speed just pulling power and I easily got 70 out of it today though rather noisy. and thats pretty good for one of these really. Thing I notice most of all though is when I put my foot down on the thottle the bus just starts to pick up very strongly and progressive, very noticeable improvement. Just very strong progressiveness. Makes ya feel like you got heaps of power under your foot.
Things are looking good
Chris.
Hiya folks,
Just thought I would let you know that my experiment with acetone in a full tank of diesel
has been a success. After having a lot of fun driving in my ldv bus 2.5 turbo diesel
I thought it was running on pure air as the fuel gauge took such a long time to move down.
My landcruiser would drink this fuel up in a week!
Remarkable results, filled up again today and added 50 millilitres of acetone to around 60 litres of
diesel. Much much smoother not sure how many miles I have travelled to date yet but this time I have zeroed the milage
so I can get a more accurate mile per gallon reading. Thinking of putting the 2.5 perguoet engine in my
landcruiser now
So what I say to myself if Toyota got the 2l-te engine so stuffed up nobody can fix
them why not put something under the hood that does work reliably. But they are very comfortable and quiet but if my soundproofing project on my LDV bus is comparable to the Toyota then the landcruiser is up for sale
Chris
Just thought I would let you know that my experiment with acetone in a full tank of diesel
has been a success.
After having a lot of fun driving in my ldv bus 2.5 turbo dieselI thought it was running on pure air as the fuel gauge took such a long time to move down.
My landcruiser would drink this fuel up in a week!
Remarkable results, filled up again today and added 50 millilitres of acetone to around 60 litres of
diesel. Much much smoother not sure how many miles I have travelled to date yet but this time I have zeroed the milage
so I can get a more accurate mile per gallon reading. Thinking of putting the 2.5 perguoet engine in my
landcruiser now
So what I say to myself if Toyota got the 2l-te engine so stuffed up nobody can fixthem why not put something under the hood that does work reliably. But they are very comfortable and quiet but if my soundproofing project on my LDV bus is comparable to the Toyota then the landcruiser is up for sale
Chris
hiya, im well up for trying this. im not going to try it on my corolla gt just yet as not brave enough intill i tried it on something else. so my 1998 ford tansit 2.5 D (non turbo) will be my test. where do i get this stuff from?
thanks
thanks
Some people say they can get it from hardware shops but when I tried they told
me they never heard of the stuff. I got mine from Polyfibre in Birmingham :- Polyfibre Ltd
18 Wainwright St
Aston
Birmingham
B6 5TJ
Tel: +44 (0)121 327 2360
Fax: +44 (0)121 327 3089
website :- http://www.polyfibre.co.uk/
Hope this helps,
Chris.
me they never heard of the stuff. I got mine from Polyfibre in Birmingham :- Polyfibre Ltd
18 Wainwright St
Aston
Birmingham
B6 5TJ
Tel: +44 (0)121 327 2360
Fax: +44 (0)121 327 3089
website :- http://www.polyfibre.co.uk/
Hope this helps,
Chris.
Easiest place to buy 100% pure acetone is your local chemist. They all stock it usually in 50ml bottles for about 70p. My wife buys it to remove her nail polish.
thats cause it is nail pollish remover, just found this thread, gonna put a 1/2 gallon im my works transit
im gonna borrow my next door nieghbours lawnmower an slip some in that.... if he stops mowing thru mower failure ill get more sleep, if he finishes faster cos it works ...ill get more sleep lol j/k 
well i started putting the right ammount in my transit van, no effect
now got to the stage of adding 200ml with £60 of fuel.......... no difference
Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****
now got to the stage of adding 200ml with £60 of fuel.......... no difference
Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****
QUOTE(earpl @ Mar 16 2006, 07:14 PM) [snapback]511974[/snapback]
Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****
Technically speaking....
QUOTE(Jones~32 @ Mar 16 2006, 08:28 PM) [snapback]511989[/snapback]
QUOTE(earpl @ Mar 16 2006, 07:14 PM) [snapback]511974[/snapback]
Acetone in you fuel???? crock of ****
Technically speaking....
Well now let me see, I run a Caldina GTT and after reading the initial thread I thought I would try this 'Acetone' lark to see what happened. Guess what ? Yep 10% increase improvement in fuel consumption. No I ain't foolin I have tried it time after time, and I get 10% improvement. I f I go back to no acetone, back to 24/25 to the gallon, but every time with acetone 10% better. This is with 60ml in a tankful of unleaded. I'm struggling to find a reasonable supplier but when I do I'm going to up the doseage, maybe 80ml ?? who knows waht will happen. 'fraid I ain't got no figures for emissions etc but thought I would share this with you all.
Grandad
P.S. if that is a crock, bring it on !?
I use it in both my vehicles now. My Parents use it in theirs.
Getting 13-14km/L where I only ever made 10-12 without it in my 1990 Toyota Corolla 1.6GL for city circuit driving only. No motorway at all in that circuit. Better starts on cold mornings. The car has done 309000km and it starts first turn every time with acetone. Not so without it. (The carbie jets are shagged I think. It keeps overfueling after coming off heavy load.)
Also use it on a Toyota Caldina GT. Works a treat. Massive boost in off accelerator power and torque. ie, cruising at 100km/h foot not on the accelerator as much. 550km/tank instead of only 490-500.
Acetone in NZ sold by paint and hardware ships as paint thinner. 100% Acetone 1ltr bottles sold here for $12.00
Not bad considering I haven't used half a bottle and it's paid for itself already.
Also used on 1985 Mazda B1600 Ute with a nissan 2.3 diesel(bored, stroked and heads flowed with 4-2-1 extractors on 2.5inch free flow exhaust, K&N 6inch diameter rally breed pod filter.) (Don't look at me funny, it was my uncles rally support truck that he sold when he bought a better one) of the same vintage. Used to be able to fill the yard (or underground carpark...
) with thick black/blue smoke on startup. Now only a tiny blue haze that disapears imeadiately. More like a car 5 years it's junior with 400,000k less on the clock.
I'd say it works for me.
Here's why some mechanics and all fuel companies seem to shun it.
It emulsifies the water which may be in your fuel tank or water trap and sends it through the injectors. Although this has the benifit of removing rust causing water from your fuel system. The water going through the injectors can also corrode them, as even while it is suspended in the fuel by the acetone, it retains it's chemical properties which can cause things to corrode.
However, alcohol and most fuel additives which use alcohol as a base, do exactly the same thing. And people readily put this in fuel the world over. So the argument against using it is esp flawed when the people arguing against the use of aceone for the water emulsion reason(ie fuel companies and additive companies) use alcohol which does exactly the same thing.
Saying acetone causes cylinder wall damage is a blatant lie. esp in newer cars. Acetone causes the fuel to evaporate before it even get close to the cylinder walls. where as with normal fuel it can as it doesn't evaporate fast enough. some proagander however suggests that raw fuel hitting the cylinder wall is a good thing as it aids in cooling the cylinder wall and lubricating the path of the piston rings.(yupp, good excuse aye. that's what I thought too. In a two-stroke yes... but in a fourstroke with it's own dedicated oil supply and the galleries to perform that exact function????? 
Getting 13-14km/L where I only ever made 10-12 without it in my 1990 Toyota Corolla 1.6GL for city circuit driving only. No motorway at all in that circuit. Better starts on cold mornings. The car has done 309000km and it starts first turn every time with acetone. Not so without it. (The carbie jets are shagged I think. It keeps overfueling after coming off heavy load.)
Also use it on a Toyota Caldina GT. Works a treat. Massive boost in off accelerator power and torque. ie, cruising at 100km/h foot not on the accelerator as much. 550km/tank instead of only 490-500.
Acetone in NZ sold by paint and hardware ships as paint thinner. 100% Acetone 1ltr bottles sold here for $12.00
Not bad considering I haven't used half a bottle and it's paid for itself already.
Also used on 1985 Mazda B1600 Ute with a nissan 2.3 diesel(bored, stroked and heads flowed with 4-2-1 extractors on 2.5inch free flow exhaust, K&N 6inch diameter rally breed pod filter.) (Don't look at me funny, it was my uncles rally support truck that he sold when he bought a better one) of the same vintage. Used to be able to fill the yard (or underground carpark...
) with thick black/blue smoke on startup. Now only a tiny blue haze that disapears imeadiately. More like a car 5 years it's junior with 400,000k less on the clock. I'd say it works for me.
Here's why some mechanics and all fuel companies seem to shun it.
It emulsifies the water which may be in your fuel tank or water trap and sends it through the injectors. Although this has the benifit of removing rust causing water from your fuel system. The water going through the injectors can also corrode them, as even while it is suspended in the fuel by the acetone, it retains it's chemical properties which can cause things to corrode.
However, alcohol and most fuel additives which use alcohol as a base, do exactly the same thing. And people readily put this in fuel the world over. So the argument against using it is esp flawed when the people arguing against the use of aceone for the water emulsion reason(ie fuel companies and additive companies) use alcohol which does exactly the same thing.
Saying acetone causes cylinder wall damage is a blatant lie. esp in newer cars. Acetone causes the fuel to evaporate before it even get close to the cylinder walls. where as with normal fuel it can as it doesn't evaporate fast enough. some proagander however suggests that raw fuel hitting the cylinder wall is a good thing as it aids in cooling the cylinder wall and lubricating the path of the piston rings.(yupp, good excuse aye.
that's what I thought too. In a two-stroke yes... but in a fourstroke with it's own dedicated oil supply and the galleries to perform that exact function?????
After reading the link on Acetone, I must say I am very tempted to do some testing of my own. It mentions that it increses your octane level, but no specific details. I am currently running my car on 95 even though it's a high compression engine mapped to run on 100 (not by choice, there is nothing else). So will this work and if so where is the best place to fill up as the petrol varies in different garrages?
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After reading the link on Acetone, I must say I am very tempted to do some testing of my own. It mentions that it increses your octane level, but no specific details. I am currently running my car on 95 even though it's a high compression engine mapped to run on 100 (not by choice, there is nothing else). So will this work and if so where is the best place to fill up as the petrol varies in different garrages?
Hi, sorry I don't know what is available in Eire, but I have used fuel from BP, Shell, Esso. Always tried to stick to the major players and steer clear of the supermarket fuel stations, I'm not the trusting type, If they can sell it so cheap they must be getting it realllllly cheap, aka 'cheap and nasty' over here BP have a fuel which is 98/99 rated so when I have used acetone with I have noticed a difference in pickup, this a low rev's so without the turbo kicking in. As I have said i have a Caldina GTT which is the same drive chain as the Celica GT4 and I get a repeatable improvement with 60ml of acetone per tank full (60 litres) and more pep in the pickup.
Thanks for your reply. From your experience how long have you been using this and have you noticed any parts in your fuel system which have required replacing? Where do you find is the best place to buy pure Acetone? Also I read in the thread that Alcohol based fuels are even worse for the fuel system yet the fuel companies are using Ethanol (alcohol substance) to mix the fuels to create higher octane and higher effeciency. Is there any evidence to suggest that Acetone has a cleaning effect on engine components?
I've got a totally standard Yaris 1.4 D4D and will be trying the acetone mixture next week.
One other product i've used recently was Redex Diesel Cleaner, which i added half a bottle to approximately 20 litres of diesel. The next day i did a nice 40 mile run to Leeds which would've pumped it through the whole system.
After i'd used the Redex i noticed that the engine felt better and it was returning around 69-73mpg even around town/city driving.
Best place to purchase acetone? Well, anywhere that deals in fibreglass fabrication as it's one of the cleaners used for brushes and rollers to remove resin. Other place is chemists, as it's used by women as a nail polish remover.
I'm starting a new job in York next month which means i'm going to doing a round trip of nearly 100 miles a day on mostly National Speed limit roads. Once i start using the acetone i'll report back any gains in responsiveness and mpg etc.
One other product i've used recently was Redex Diesel Cleaner, which i added half a bottle to approximately 20 litres of diesel. The next day i did a nice 40 mile run to Leeds which would've pumped it through the whole system.
After i'd used the Redex i noticed that the engine felt better and it was returning around 69-73mpg even around town/city driving.
Best place to purchase acetone? Well, anywhere that deals in fibreglass fabrication as it's one of the cleaners used for brushes and rollers to remove resin. Other place is chemists, as it's used by women as a nail polish remover.
I'm starting a new job in York next month which means i'm going to doing a round trip of nearly 100 miles a day on mostly National Speed limit roads. Once i start using the acetone i'll report back any gains in responsiveness and mpg etc.
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I've got a totally standard Yaris 1.4 D4D and will be trying the acetone mixture next week.
One other product i've used recently was Redex Diesel Cleaner, which i added half a bottle to approximately 20 litres of diesel. The next day i did a nice 40 mile run to Leeds which would've pumped it through the whole system.
After i'd used the Redex i noticed that the engine felt better and it was returning around 69-73mpg even around town/city driving.
Best place to purchase acetone? Well, anywhere that deals in fibreglass fabrication as it's one of the cleaners used for brushes and rollers to remove resin. Other place is chemists, as it's used by women as a nail polish remover.
I'm starting a new job in York next month which means i'm going to doing a round trip of nearly 100 miles a day on mostly National Speed limit roads. Once i start using the acetone i'll report back any gains in responsiveness and mpg etc.
Well,i've used the Acetone a few times now and it does make quite a difference. It certainly improves the throttle response plus leads to an improvement in torque. At 70mph it was using about 200-400rpm less with no 'pinking' noise under load.
Best combination to use is around 50ml per 45litres. Don't use anymore than this as it doesn't have any effect. Also i've been running to York 5-days a week which entails a 100-mile a day trip at 70-80mph and yet it still returns 65-70mpg sometimes 73mpg if i take it a little steadier on the throttle.
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At 70mph it was using about 200-400rpm less with no 'pinking' noise under load.
Can you clarify this for me? Your saying it changed your gearing??
I dont like the way each of these people have like only 2-5 posts each
I'm still confused how it can change your gearing?!?!
At the end of the day you're putting a chemical through the fuel system that it isn't supposed to take and Acetone is a fairly powerful solvent.
Means that you've a fairly uncertain long term assurance of the condition of a lot of the fuel hoses. They may be proof against it or you may find in a year or two's time they start to perish and you get fuel leaks.
There's a comment above for example that says alcohol is put in the fuel system the world over. A good example of this is Ethanol for example which is used in Flex-fuel vehicles. The problem is that unless these vehicles have specialised injector systems (using stainless steel in a number of the components) they are very prone to corrosion of the needles.
There's another comment about fuel hitting the side walls of the chamber. I've no idea if this is relevant to acetone (I'm no chemist) but on a 4-stroke engine it's definately a bad thing. It's a phenomenon known as fuel wash. Physically what it does is wash the thin layer of oil away from the chamber walls increasing wear on the rings and liner and then getting in the fuel. In small amounts it'll evaporate off but in larger quantities it'll build up in the oil and degrade it too. Not sure what acetone would do if it got in the oil too.
In summary, yes you may get performance benefits but it's largely unlikely that any car manufacturers have tested it; hence it's an unknown as to whether it would cause long term damage hence they'll err on the side of caution and warn not to use it.
Same with the fuel companies. They won't want to risk the damage to engines and the litigation that would end up being involved hence they don't do it and can't advocate it
So........feel free to use it and reap the benefits, just go into it knowing it won't have been evaluated on the vehicles and may have long term problems
Means that you've a fairly uncertain long term assurance of the condition of a lot of the fuel hoses. They may be proof against it or you may find in a year or two's time they start to perish and you get fuel leaks.
There's a comment above for example that says alcohol is put in the fuel system the world over. A good example of this is Ethanol for example which is used in Flex-fuel vehicles. The problem is that unless these vehicles have specialised injector systems (using stainless steel in a number of the components) they are very prone to corrosion of the needles.
There's another comment about fuel hitting the side walls of the chamber. I've no idea if this is relevant to acetone (I'm no chemist) but on a 4-stroke engine it's definately a bad thing. It's a phenomenon known as fuel wash. Physically what it does is wash the thin layer of oil away from the chamber walls increasing wear on the rings and liner and then getting in the fuel. In small amounts it'll evaporate off but in larger quantities it'll build up in the oil and degrade it too. Not sure what acetone would do if it got in the oil too.
In summary, yes you may get performance benefits but it's largely unlikely that any car manufacturers have tested it; hence it's an unknown as to whether it would cause long term damage hence they'll err on the side of caution and warn not to use it.
Same with the fuel companies. They won't want to risk the damage to engines and the litigation that would end up being involved hence they don't do it and can't advocate it
So........feel free to use it and reap the benefits, just go into it knowing it won't have been evaluated on the vehicles and may have long term problems
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At the end of the day you're putting a chemical through the fuel system that it isn't supposed
to take and Acetone is a fairly powerful solvent.
Fairly powerful is a tad of an understatement.
The stuff is vicious. Definitelynot something I personally would allow anywhere near any engine.
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QUOTE(Black Knight @ Nov 12 2006, 08:56 PM) [snapback]591116[/snapback]
At the end of the day you're putting a chemical through the fuel system that it isn't supposed
to take and Acetone is a fairly powerful solvent.
Fairly powerful is a tad of an understatement.
The stuff is vicious. Definitelynot something I personally would allow anywhere near any engine.
I've just completed 50,000 miles from new in my phase-1 D-4D. Every tank in my D-4D had 40ML acetone added each fillup.
Total reliability, not one issue ever. First MOT and the mechanic reported the particulates were the lowest he had had from a diesel. I didn't mention the acetone to him so that was a pleasing comment.
Diesel engines have one bad thing, they emit HIGHLY dangerous particles which cause a provable number of heart attacks in otherwise healthy people each year -my apologies for not having the medical link to this at hand I will try and find it. Anyway these particulates are suspected to be from unburnt parts of the fuel. Acetone will increase the effective octane and increase the efficiency of the burn (this is where the power/torgue gains come from), and I will bet my house the number of emitted particulates are reduced on acetone as a result (you will NOT get a diesel to smoke on the right acetone mix).
Fuel economy is hard to judge as I always use the extra power from day-one and would be called 'lead-footed'.
I read an earlier post about someone dissing acetone after adding huge amounts... don't be a clown, the original post made it abundantly clear, no more than 45-50ML per 45L tank. How rich to call lack of results a 'crock of ****' when they couldn't even follow an instruction.
45ML in a 45000ML tank is too dilute to have any deleterious effects on rubber or silicone so stop worrying about that. I had a huge 10% mix of diesel/acetone in a metal tin soaking some fuel-line hose, some premium silicone hose (ex aquarium) and automotive rubber (part of a rubber gaiter) and after 3 months in a warm shed this summer showed no stress or pliability worries. A ten percent mix is huge, thats one-part in ten not the 1 part in one THOUSAND as is recommended.
I agree with an earlier post that acetone should be added by law at the pumps; it reduces emissions (which new data shows can be cardiac lethal) and it is environmentally sound (more economy). The extra power is simply a cherry on the cake.
It will not be law as even a 10% reduction in the amount of fuel we would need to buy for our traveling would be billions lost by Big Oil, who are not gonna let that happen anytime soon.
Sorry about my long post. I am just fed-up with some of the carping about this issue I have found on these forums, especially the one suggesting us acetone advocates are trying to work some kind of scam because we have '5 or less' posts. CID material that poster lol
However I still put my point forward that the parts are not evaluated against this and therefore the long term effects across a broad range of vehicles is not known.
If you get a benefit from it then congratulations and continue to use it as you see fit. My point is only go into it knowing you're doing something to the engine that it's not proven with.
In your reply above you've tried it on a number of hose types however I doubt you've done it against every hose type available to Toyota and even if you have variences in the manufacture/differing suppliers globally/changes to the hose design during production could all have an unpredictable effect
If you get a benefit from it then congratulations and continue to use it as you see fit. My point is only go into it knowing you're doing something to the engine that it's not proven with.
In your reply above you've tried it on a number of hose types however I doubt you've done it against every hose type available to Toyota and even if you have variences in the manufacture/differing suppliers globally/changes to the hose design during production could all have an unpredictable effect
Has anyone tried this in their petrol engine yet?
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I've been reading about adding acetone to diesel and petrol on various web sites. Some people report amazing gains, others say it doesn't work. I suspect thatthe people who can't get it to work aren't doing it properly! When mixing such small quantities ( 750 ml per 50 L for diesel and 1250 l per 50 L for petrol) it is best to mix the whole amount for 50 L in 4 or five litres in a can, then pour this into the tank gradually as you top up to 50L.
I suspect that those who report it as not working, have poured the whole amount into the tank, filled up without much mixing taking place. When they first run the engine this sucks acetone rich fuel ( which actually reduces performance & mileage) and uses it al up so pretty soon they are back running on unadulterated fuel.
de John G8SEQ.
Sorry to bring this topic back from the dead but do any of the original experimenters have any follow up data on the acetone in a diesel engine?
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i have tried this in both fuel type engines and found my fuel consumption went crazily up , half a tank just vanished .
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