Full Version: New F1 Engines Only A 2.4 V8
why have they done this? this year the engines are only 2.4 v8 rather than 3.0 v10, with around 200bhp less. thats going to be very much like the A1 gp, which i went to watch at brands last year, no where near as fast as f1 was. what a shame it going to be even more boring
It's to try and introduce something called "overtaking" .. I know it's been missing from F1 for like .. 10/15 years ..
And then a 2.4 V8 will slide nicely into a new sports car
And then a 2.4 V8 will slide nicely into a new sports car
[quote name='Bibbs' post='496447' date='Feb 11 2006, 06:02 PM']
It's to try and introduce something called "overtaking" .. I know it's been missing from F1 for like .. 10/15 years ..
And then a 2.4 V8 will slide nicely into a new sports car
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how is it going to make over taking any better? my biggest problem with it is, there is loads of racing with over taking you can watch. but these should be the fastest track cars in the world with cutting edge technolgy, with out so many rules which stop them evolving in to what they could be. if they keep doing this, not only will A1 gp cars be faster soon, but so will some road cars. bring back turbos, slicks. add 4wd and all the clever stuff they could do if given the chance. 2.4 v8 would be good in a road car but a 3.0 v10 is better.
I can see this year more people getting peed off with f1
It's to try and introduce something called "overtaking" .. I know it's been missing from F1 for like .. 10/15 years ..
And then a 2.4 V8 will slide nicely into a new sports car
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how is it going to make over taking any better? my biggest problem with it is, there is loads of racing with over taking you can watch. but these should be the fastest track cars in the world with cutting edge technolgy, with out so many rules which stop them evolving in to what they could be. if they keep doing this, not only will A1 gp cars be faster soon, but so will some road cars. bring back turbos, slicks. add 4wd and all the clever stuff they could do if given the chance. 2.4 v8 would be good in a road car but a 3.0 v10 is better.
I can see this year more people getting peed off with f1
well thats it isnt it - the governing body doesnt know anything about physics...
they introduced 'grooved' tyres to slow the cornering speeds, in an attempt to increase overtaking...
all they did was reduce mechanical grip, allowing the teams to concentrate more on aerodynamic downforce, which stopped cars being efficent when they get close enough to pass..
the same with the engines, they think making the cars slower will encorage overtaking, but what will happen is all the cars will be stressed to the limit so no-one has an advantage on the straights, so we'll be back to square 1...
they need to go back to slicks (changed as many times as they want), chop off everything but a limited front and rear wing, i say keep the V8's, but let turbo's back, oh, and most important - make these overpaid nancys shift manually with a 'H' box and a foot clutch - now that will introduce overtaking!
they introduced 'grooved' tyres to slow the cornering speeds, in an attempt to increase overtaking...
all they did was reduce mechanical grip, allowing the teams to concentrate more on aerodynamic downforce, which stopped cars being efficent when they get close enough to pass..
the same with the engines, they think making the cars slower will encorage overtaking, but what will happen is all the cars will be stressed to the limit so no-one has an advantage on the straights, so we'll be back to square 1...
they need to go back to slicks (changed as many times as they want), chop off everything but a limited front and rear wing, i say keep the V8's, but let turbo's back, oh, and most important - make these overpaid nancys shift manually with a 'H' box and a foot clutch - now that will introduce overtaking!
[quote name='Fidgits' post='496472' date='Feb 11 2006, 06:37 PM']
well thats it isnt it - the governing body doesnt know anything about physics...
they introduced 'grooved' tyres to slow the cornering speeds, in an attempt to increase overtaking...
all they did was reduce mechanical grip, allowing the teams to concentrate more on aerodynamic downforce, which stopped cars being efficent when they get close enough to pass..
the same with the engines, they think making the cars slower will encorage overtaking, but what will happen is all the cars will be stressed to the limit so no-one has an advantage on the straights, so we'll be back to square 1...
they need to go back to slicks (changed as many times as they want), chop off everything but a limited front and rear wheel, i say keep the V8's, but let turbo's back, oh, and most important - make these overpaid nancys shift manually with a 'H' box and a foot clutch - now that will introduce overtaking!
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yeah! got excited just reading that
they have no idea what there doing anymore, the second people stop watching as much the money comes out of the sport and so do the likes of toyota, honda ect. then its good bye for ever
well thats it isnt it - the governing body doesnt know anything about physics...
they introduced 'grooved' tyres to slow the cornering speeds, in an attempt to increase overtaking...
all they did was reduce mechanical grip, allowing the teams to concentrate more on aerodynamic downforce, which stopped cars being efficent when they get close enough to pass..
the same with the engines, they think making the cars slower will encorage overtaking, but what will happen is all the cars will be stressed to the limit so no-one has an advantage on the straights, so we'll be back to square 1...
they need to go back to slicks (changed as many times as they want), chop off everything but a limited front and rear wheel, i say keep the V8's, but let turbo's back, oh, and most important - make these overpaid nancys shift manually with a 'H' box and a foot clutch - now that will introduce overtaking!
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yeah! got excited just reading that
they have no idea what there doing anymore, the second people stop watching as much the money comes out of the sport and so do the likes of toyota, honda ect. then its good bye for ever
yep - look at BTCC and now WRC...
Yes, some good points there. I'd go for dumping the electronic gadgets too. A bit more driver skill is definitely needed. 
Oh and as for F1 cars supposed to be the fastest track cars in the World....
When [i]was[/i] that?
Oh and as for F1 cars supposed to be the fastest track cars in the World....
When [i]was[/i] that?
yup, dump all driver aids... no traction control and all that rubbish, and a manual gear box and clutch, ECU should be for controlling the engine full stop... nothiong controlling the gearbox or brakes, just pure driver control
mind you i bet most of them would start crying and refuse to drive the cars!
bring back turbos and ground-effect... proper racing, too many up-yer-ubik safety crticis these days
mind you i bet most of them would start crying and refuse to drive the cars!
bring back turbos and ground-effect... proper racing, too many up-yer-ubik safety crticis these days
^^ What he said
Get them putting out over 1500bhp and no traction control, that'll make some overtaking
Get them putting out over 1500bhp and no traction control, that'll make some overtaking
I believe the move to V8's was also to reduce costs.
Teams like Ferrari just done give a crap, - the budgets are massive. But some of the smaller teams it gives them more of a fair shot at getting some podiums! a V10 is expensive to produce, its not like they keep them and put 20,000 miles on them
Good idea I suppose but a small part of me wants to see what a rich team like Ferrari could do if half of these limits were removed
Jones~32, Renault made a 1.5 with 1500bhp used for qualifying.. it used a turbo (obviously!!) to do this. Drivers following these cars used to get covered in oil. They realised why: the amount of boost was actually pushing the heads off the bottom half of the engine just enough for oil to spray out! maaaaad stuff, thats a lot of boost
Teams like Ferrari just done give a crap, - the budgets are massive. But some of the smaller teams it gives them more of a fair shot at getting some podiums! a V10 is expensive to produce, its not like they keep them and put 20,000 miles on them
Good idea I suppose but a small part of me wants to see what a rich team like Ferrari could do if half of these limits were removed
Jones~32, Renault made a 1.5 with 1500bhp used for qualifying.. it used a turbo (obviously!!) to do this. Drivers following these cars used to get covered in oil. They realised why: the amount of boost was actually pushing the heads off the bottom half of the engine just enough for oil to spray out! maaaaad stuff, thats a lot of boost
[quote name='snellgrove' post='505943' date='Mar 5 2006, 12:09 PM']
I believe the move to V8's was also to reduce costs.
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So how is this going to reduce costs? they have got to start from scratch which means much more costs. toyota and other big guns will be fine with that but the smaller ones still wont
I believe the move to V8's was also to reduce costs.
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So how is this going to reduce costs? they have got to start from scratch which means much more costs. toyota and other big guns will be fine with that but the smaller ones still wont
at the Last Nur' race proper (using the north ring) they had 1.5 liter engines pushing 1500bhp .. and this is where Nikki Lauder lost his ears.
F1 was pony a LONG time ago. I'm more into the V8 Supercars (Oz), JGTC (now SuperGT - Japan), even the LeMans cars are better.
And the cars at LeMans 24 are SO much better (aerodynamics, grip, performance) than F1 cars. If you want excitement and overtaking, look elsewhere. If you want an overpaid procession of cars for a few hours which is just a big advert, F1 is your bag.
F1 was pony a LONG time ago. I'm more into the V8 Supercars (Oz), JGTC (now SuperGT - Japan), even the LeMans cars are better.
And the cars at LeMans 24 are SO much better (aerodynamics, grip, performance) than F1 cars. If you want excitement and overtaking, look elsewhere. If you want an overpaid procession of cars for a few hours which is just a big advert, F1 is your bag.
[quote name='Bibbs' post='506712' date='Mar 7 2006, 09:26 AM'] I'm more into the V8 Supercars (Oz), JGTC (now SuperGT - Japan), even the LeMans cars are better.
And the cars at LeMans 24 are SO much better (aerodynamics, grip, performance) than F1 cars. If you want excitement and overtaking, look elsewhere. [/quote]
I watch the JGTC when i see its on, and i want to go LeMans 24 as well Dad went 3 yrs ago and said it was awesome! and also commented on the noise from the Corvettes
And the cars at LeMans 24 are SO much better (aerodynamics, grip, performance) than F1 cars. If you want excitement and overtaking, look elsewhere. [/quote]
I watch the JGTC when i see its on, and i want to go LeMans 24 as well Dad went 3 yrs ago and said it was awesome! and also commented on the noise from the Corvettes
I agree with everything said above....
Let them have what ever tyres they want, and as many of them as they want.
Let them have turbos, lose the plank of wood under the car, lose all driver aids..
Oh, and bring back the Nordschliefe
Let them have what ever tyres they want, and as many of them as they want.
Let them have turbos, lose the plank of wood under the car, lose all driver aids..
Oh, and bring back the Nordschliefe
They did ban all electronic aids, but they had re-allow traction control as it couldn't be policed properly.
Reporter to Ron Dennis "so do you think Ferrari are using traction control??"
Ron Dennis (and I quote) "not unless they make the engine mis-fire on purpose as it exits corners..............."
I say let it be totally unrestricted, it's meant to be the pinnacle of motorsport, if you can't afford to be there, then bye bye
P.S what a superb race it was.
Reporter to Ron Dennis "so do you think Ferrari are using traction control??"
Ron Dennis (and I quote) "not unless they make the engine mis-fire on purpose as it exits corners..............."
I say let it be totally unrestricted, it's meant to be the pinnacle of motorsport, if you can't afford to be there, then bye bye
P.S what a superb race it was.
I like the LeMans for the unrestriction of it .. it's proper cars, but usually about 3 cars (all the same) per class. And you get overtaking as you run all the classes at the same time.
I think that the BBC should stop showing bl**dy horse racing (I mean, if I wanna bet on it, I'll go down the bookies) and start showing the BTCC, MotoGP, A1, the endurance series .. I'm sure ITV will soon realise that F1 is not "all that" ..
I think that the BBC should stop showing bl**dy horse racing (I mean, if I wanna bet on it, I'll go down the bookies) and start showing the BTCC, MotoGP, A1, the endurance series .. I'm sure ITV will soon realise that F1 is not "all that" ..
Terestrial TV is ******* for motorsport (can't afford sky )
I hated the day BBC gave up F1 and ITV got it. ***** **** adverts (i hope the swear filter is working)
I remember one race, where the lead was being closely contested by the first 4, advert came on, came back to racing, pit stops had happened during the race, lead had changed 3 times, and a big smash lol I wasn't happy.
Mind least it didn't go over to Sky, although their £15 pay per view per weekend, had some awesome coverage (went to a mates who is richer)
)I hated the day BBC gave up F1 and ITV got it. ***** **** adverts (i hope the swear filter is working)
I remember one race, where the lead was being closely contested by the first 4, advert came on, came back to racing, pit stops had happened during the race, lead had changed 3 times, and a big smash lol I wasn't happy.
Mind least it didn't go over to Sky, although their £15 pay per view per weekend, had some awesome coverage (went to a mates who is richer)
[quote name='Bibbs' post='511085' date='Mar 15 2006, 01:27 PM'] start showing the MotoGP[/quote]
Now thats awesome racing to watch, with no sign of James Allen anywhere!
Now thats awesome racing to watch, with no sign of James Allen anywhere!
I still love F1, nothing comes close...but I do agree we could do with a bit more excitement. I also watch A1, BTCC and WTCC and still I prefer F1, but like this season so far, Bahrain and Australia have been excellent, Malaysia, San Marino and Spain have been boring and the Nurburgring was average....certainly I think it would be better if more teams had a chance of winning, it'd be great to see Honda, Toyota or Williams win a race! Also these tracks where overtaking is impossible, Monaco exempt; what's the point?!
[quote name='snellgrove' post='505943' date='Mar 5 2006, 01:09 PM']
I believe the move to V8's was also to reduce costs.
Teams like Ferrari just done give a crap, - the budgets are massive. But some of the smaller teams it gives them more of a fair shot at getting some podiums! a V10 is expensive to produce, its not like they keep them and put 20,000 miles on them
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But isn't one team, old Minardi (Red Bull something) running a restricted V10 from last season because of development costs being too high for a new V8?
It's all a joke really. No matter what restrictions or rules come out, the big players come out on top and find a new way around. There should be a capped budget teams can spend on development and testing. And yes remove all driver aids.
Joe
I believe the move to V8's was also to reduce costs.
Teams like Ferrari just done give a crap, - the budgets are massive. But some of the smaller teams it gives them more of a fair shot at getting some podiums! a V10 is expensive to produce, its not like they keep them and put 20,000 miles on them
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But isn't one team, old Minardi (Red Bull something) running a restricted V10 from last season because of development costs being too high for a new V8?
It's all a joke really. No matter what restrictions or rules come out, the big players come out on top and find a new way around. There should be a capped budget teams can spend on development and testing. And yes remove all driver aids.
Joe
[quote name='GiJoe90' post='539386' date='May 15 2006, 07:48 PM'] But isn't one team, old Minardi (Red Bull something) running a restricted V10 from last season because of development costs being too high for a new V8?[/quote]
Yeah, Toro Rosso are allowed to run a restricted V10, and they are the only team that can because the clause was only available for Minardi and Toro Rosso bought them out, so they managed to use the loop hole and use a V10!
Bit stupid if you ask me, why not force them to use the same V8 that the Red Bull Racing team use??
Yeah, Toro Rosso are allowed to run a restricted V10, and they are the only team that can because the clause was only available for Minardi and Toro Rosso bought them out, so they managed to use the loop hole and use a V10!
Bit stupid if you ask me, why not force them to use the same V8 that the Red Bull Racing team use??
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