O my GOD....

I know this is Toyota F1 but thought it was relevant...

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Ferrari get off....HA hate them even more now.....

Alonso and Lewis still keep there points but team loose all Team Construction points...

The FIA love Ferrari so much it makes me sick!

It would have been like F1 pushing the Self Destruct button if they had docked Hamilton all of his points. He's single handedly rejuvenating the sport at the moment.

It's a huge fine and no doubt there will be an appeal. The problem was with the alledged behaviour of the team, so the team is punished, not the drivers and the fans.

( anyway, I'm sure they can afford it ! )

[quote name='Boro Sera' post='672028' date='Sep 14 2007, 01:37 PM']The problem was with the alledged behaviour of the team, so the team is punished, not the drivers and the fans.[/quote]
Try telling that to Juha Kankkunen, Didier Auriol and Armin Schwarz. There was never any suggestion that they knew anything about the mods on their GT4s but they lost all their points.

Unfortunately the WRC is a second class citizen as far as the FIA are concern. You only have to look at the woeful state of the present WRC season to know that top level rallying is not high on the FIA's agenda.

And as for Mclaren being able to afford the $100 million fine, yes they might get the money together in the short term but in the long term it such a hole in their budget will seriously effect them and their chances in the next five years or so. Therefore handing the world titles to Ferrari for the foreseeable future!

Apparently they were only minutes from a 2 season ban ( according to Mr Eccleston on Sky last night ). Something that would have cost them more than the 100 million dollars.

[quote name='Boro Sera' post='672249' date='Sep 15 2007, 09:17 AM']Apparently they were only minutes from a 2 season ban ( according to Mr Eccleston on Sky last night ). Something that would have cost them more than the 100 million dollars.[/quote]

Think you should all read this...and it lists the emails between the drivers....interesting reading.... [url="http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=32766"]Clicky[/url]

Naughty naughty

Naughty Naughty indeed. It's a lot murkier than the TV news have let on ( although I appreciate they aren't supposed to comment on a current case before the verdict ).

PopBitch however, had this on their latest newsletter

[quote]McLaren face more spying allegations today.
Gossip behind the scenes says Fernando Alonso
is looking to jump ship at the end of the
season whatever happens, with a big money
move to a lesser team, rather than take a
sabbatical. McLaren are looking at bringing
in Jenson Button to be the number two
driver at the end of next season. Delighted to
get back in a good car, Button is unlikely to
be any trouble to the McLaren team.

But the really sensational rumour concerns who
provided the extra evidence which shopped
McLaren the FIA. Initially fingers were being
pointed at Alonso but F1 insiders tell us that
the smart money is on Hamilton Snr, who was
angry at the team for keeping Lewis in second
place in the last race. Surely not?[/quote]

Gotta love conspiracy theories !

The outcome of the FIA hearing makes me sick.... that pathetic French organisation is now pandering to the bitching and gripes of Ferrari

McLaren are far from blameless but what happened did not warrant such a fine and docking of points.

[quote name='SteveL' post='672267' date='Sep 15 2007, 11:36 AM']The outcome of the FIA hearing makes me sick.... that pathetic French organisation is now pandering to the bitching and gripes of Ferrari

McLaren are far from blameless but what happened did not warrant such a fine and docking of points.[/quote]

Ferrari are the spoilt little rich kid moaning to teacher They are also too blame...

It was very badly handled and also very public affair and Bernie/Max and there cronies have just done F1 no good in this.....Hope the fans Boo Ferrari next time there out, as I will be. Boo boo boo

F1 has or is going just like Premiership football, too much money, end of!

Sport has gone out of the window, it's a must win for money.............not sport

They all deserve one another

Kingo

Watched Ron dennis being interviewed during Qually today and his face seemed say "do I need this, I could jack it in and spend the rest of my life on a beach" But he won't, he'll fight on. Pretty sure Alonso will be kicked out / jump ship at the end of the season. Ron had more than a belly full of his games at Hungary.
Certain parties in Mclaren and Ferrari have done some dodgy things in the last year but when I look at Ron Dennis I don't think IMHO he knew anything about them.

[quote name='Fujisan' post='672328' date='Sep 15 2007, 06:02 PM']Watched Ron dennis being interviewed during Qually today and his face seemed say "do I need this, I could jack it in and spend the rest of my life on a beach" But he won't, he'll fight on. Pretty sure Alonso will be kicked out / jump ship at the end of the season. Ron had more than a belly full of his games at Hungary.
Certain parties in Mclaren and Ferrari have done some dodgy things in the last year but when I look at Ron Dennis I don't think IMHO he knew anything about them.[/quote]

Yea rumour is that Alonso out end of year and Button in as second driver....

Race notes from here [url="http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=32804"]Pitpass Web Site[/url]

[b]Ron Dennis: A solid performance from both drivers despite a rare mistake from Fernando on his first run. Obviously we would prefer to occupy the first rather than the second row. The times are very close and we believe we have a strong strategy for tomorrow.[/b]

Classic line from Ralf...[b]It is frustrating not to get into the top 10 because I think we had the pace to do it.[/b] maybe the car but not you driving it Ralf

More espionage and foul play in F1

This time between McLaren and Renault [url="http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=32819"]Clicky[/url]

Watched the pre race stuff today, in real terms the 50 million fine comes down to 15 million because they deduct
the money the team would have made for winning the constructors title.

Would agree with Chatman, I think Ron was oblivious that this was going on, it was he after all who blew the whistle
according to todays race commentators.

Get rid of Alonso and bring in Button, great idea. Two brits in a brit team would be great. As for Ferrari, the most
corrupt country in the world, dont know what they are bleating at. Never have liked Mr Personality, their no 1
driver allways thought Massa was better and a real personality. Raikenen is just lucky he started at Ferrari when
they finally got the car right. He was after all a duffer when he left McLaren.

Dave

[quote name='dave.m' post='672567' date='Sep 16 2007, 04:34 PM']Get rid of Alonso and bring in Button, great idea. Two brits in a brit team would be great. As for Ferrari, the most
corrupt country in the world, dont know what they are bleating at. Never have liked Mr Personality, their no 1
driver allways thought Massa was better and a real personality. Raikenen is just lucky he started at Ferrari when
they finally got the car right. He was after all a duffer when he left McLaren.

Dave [/quote]

As long as Mclaren don't do anything stupid and sign [size=7][b]RALF![/b][/size]

[quote name='Fujisan' post='672802' date='Sep 17 2007, 09:02 AM'][quote name='dave.m' post='672567' date='Sep 16 2007, 04:34 PM']Get rid of Alonso and bring in Button, great idea. Two brits in a brit team would be great. As for Ferrari, the most
corrupt country in the world, dont know what they are bleating at. Never have liked Mr Personality, their no 1
driver allways thought Massa was better and a real personality. Raikenen is just lucky he started at Ferrari when
they finally got the car right. He was after all a duffer when he left McLaren.

Dave [/quote]

As long as Mclaren don't do anything stupid and sign [size=7][b]RALF![/b][/size]
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Dave.

ReallyAwfulLikeFlatuence.

Dave.

[quote name='dave.m' post='673633' date='Sep 19 2007, 12:12 PM'][quote name='Fujisan' post='672802' date='Sep 17 2007, 09:02 AM'][quote name='dave.m' post='672567' date='Sep 16 2007, 04:34 PM']Get rid of Alonso and bring in Button, great idea. Two brits in a brit team would be great. As for Ferrari, the most
corrupt country in the world, dont know what they are bleating at. Never have liked Mr Personality, their no 1
driver allways thought Massa was better and a real personality. Raikenen is just lucky he started at Ferrari when
they finally got the car right. He was after all a duffer when he left McLaren.

Dave [/quote]

As long as Mclaren don't do anything stupid and sign [size=7][b]RALF![/b][/size]
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I'm sure RALF just cruises round during the race thinking what to spend his next pay cheque on

Your giving Ralf credit for actually THINKING.......I doubt that!

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Has anyone at Toyota told him he has more gears in the gearbox he can use.......not just 1st, 2nd and 3rd

[quote name='Bob King' post='673689' date='Sep 19 2007, 01:35 PM']Has anyone at Toyota told him he has more gears in the gearbox he can use.......not just 1st, 2nd and 3rd [/quote]

He only like the one saying [b][size=7]R[/size][/b] as he thinks it's named after him....

OK back on TOPIC now

Full transcript from hearing.....(note it's 115 pages long so if you cant sleep )

[url="http://press.fiacommunications.com/wmsc-transcript-13-09-2007.pdf"]Read Transcript pdf file Here[/url]

[img]http://www.flag-marshal.org.uk/images/FIA_logo.jpg[/img]

Big Ron and Alonso not talking! What a surprise!

[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7003042.stm"]It's nice to talk![/url]

I sure we all remember or have been told how Ayrton Senna won his world title by running into Alain Prost , i can seen Alonso doing the same trick or even Hamilton doing it( maybe with Ron's blessing ) , then at the end of the season it will be bye bye Alonso find a new job !

Lewis Hamilton's F1 title hopes for 2008 remain in limbo until February when McLaren will discover if their new car has been cleared to race.

Full story [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7131696.stm"]here.[/url]

[quote name='Fujisan' post='700551' date='Dec 8 2007, 02:45 PM']Lewis Hamilton's F1 title hopes for 2008 remain in limbo until February when McLaren will discover if their new car has been cleared to race.

Full story [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7131696.stm"]here.[/url][/quote]


Below are 3 posts added to the BBC web site, i can add no more to the subject...

[b]1) It's time the teams abandoned the FIA, for years everybody has been suggesting they favour Ferrari and have done very little to show otherwise.
The sport needs a governing body that is fair, impartial and open-minded.


2) Sick of all this, Renault get off with no action against them. O yes Bernie and Flav are close mates.
F1 stinks its corrupt. Why dont they just tell us the results before the season starts save me some sleep. Manufacturers should break away ASAP!!!


3) the FIA is obviously corrupt , you can't have one rule for Ferrari, one for Mclaren and then another for Renault!! what the hell is going on Alonso should have been fined/suspeded for trying to blackmail Ron Dennis , Mclaren report to FIA thinking there doing the right thing and get punished for being honest.[/b]

[quote name='Bob King' post='700572' date='Dec 8 2007, 03:54 PM'][quote name='Fujisan' post='700551' date='Dec 8 2007, 02:45 PM']Lewis Hamilton's F1 title hopes for 2008 remain in limbo until February when McLaren will discover if their new car has been cleared to race.

Full story [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7131696.stm"]here.[/url][/quote]


Below are 3 posts added to the BBC web site, i can add no more to the subject...

[b]1) It's time the teams abandoned the FIA, for years everybody has been suggesting they favour Ferrari and have done very little to show otherwise.
The sport needs a governing body that is fair, impartial and open-minded.


2) Sick of all this, Renault get off with no action against them. O yes Bernie and Flav are close mates.
F1 stinks its corrupt. Why dont they just tell us the results before the season starts save me some sleep. Manufacturers should break away ASAP!!!


3) the FIA is obviously corrupt , you can't have one rule for Ferrari, one for Mclaren and then another for Renault!! what the hell is going on Alonso should have been fined/suspeded for trying to blackmail Ron Dennis , Mclaren report to FIA thinking there doing the right thing and get punished for being honest.[/b]
[/quote]

I can agree totally with all those comments. The FIA, for some reason, are determined to drive Mclaren out of the sport!

The FIA have their own website but no forum to reply to....pitty

[url="http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/December/071207-01.html#"]http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Relea...071207-01.html#[/url]

Err...i've posted this up but not had time to read it all....yet

[quote name='Bob King' post='700618' date='Dec 8 2007, 05:33 PM']The FIA have their own website but no forum to reply to....pitty

[url="http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2007/December/071207-01.html#"]http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Relea...071207-01.html#[/url]

Err...i've posted this up but not had time to read it all....yet [/quote]


Its Rum, don't you just love Bernies bunch..
So its ok to cheat, just so long as you dont win!! If you cheat, and win. Look out for an $150 million fine..