Hi folks...

I'm having an extreme amount of grief trying to track down an oxygen sensor for the manifold converter on my Rav4. Toyota want to charge me £380+Vat just for the part, which is daylight robbery no matter how you look at it.

The part number for the Manifold converter is 25508874170 (bought from Toyota), and the Oxy Sensor before the Cat is 89465-20270 (4 wire, 18mm). The one on the manifold converter appears to be a 12mm, 2 wire sensor, but I've had no luck finding any alternative to the expensive Toyota part.

The Rav is a Japanese import, E-SXA10G-AZMGK, SXA10G-0097090.

I would appreciate any suggestions on tracking down a suitable cheaper sensor, as I am currently tearing great big tufts of hair out of my head.

Thanks,

Coles.

Coles

Welcome to the club.

You can try our resident parts man kingo (Parts King) to start with but I know the 4 wire sensor is a weak point on the 1.8 Carina and possibly Avensis. It might be worth you just running it by them as they might have found a cheaper source.

Good luck

[quote name='Coles' post='694974' date='Nov 19 2007, 11:34 PM']Hi folks...

I'm having an extreme amount of grief trying to track down an oxygen sensor for the manifold converter on my Rav4. Toyota want to charge me £380+Vat just for the part, which is daylight robbery no matter how you look at it.

The part number for the Manifold converter is 25508874170 (bought from Toyota), and the Oxy Sensor before the Cat is 89465-20270 (4 wire, 18mm). The one on the manifold converter appears to be a 12mm, 2 wire sensor, but I've had no luck finding any alternative to the expensive Toyota part.

The Rav is a Japanese import, E-SXA10G-AZMGK, SXA10G-0097090.

I would appreciate any suggestions on tracking down a suitable cheaper sensor, as I am currently tearing great big tufts of hair out of my head.

Thanks,

Coles. [/quote]

cannae help ye much oan this wan. Nae ither similar RAVs ye can find at Dublin airport waur ye cuid borrow wan sesnor jist tae make sure ???

The RAV was based I think on much of the Corolla - is it the 3SFE engine?? If so ye might try fur 2nd hand pairts frae Parts gateway or the likes. I might even have the sensor left oan the engine I took oot tae make way fur the 3SGTE.

Thanks for the replies.

It is the 3SFE engine... Oxygen sensors seem to be a common complaint with the Rav4, and the one on the manifold converter is not particularly easy to get at. Almost as hard to get at as the bloody oil filter. But I'd have nothing to say if I wasn't complaining!

Can anyone tell me the Toyota Part No. for this sensor? Any assistance will be rewarded by God in the afterlife, I promise.

[quote name='Coles' post='695022' date='Nov 20 2007, 01:37 AM']Thanks for the replies.

It is the 3SFE engine... Oxygen sensors seem to be a common complaint with the Rav4, and the one on the manifold converter is not particularly easy to get at. Almost as hard to get at as the bloody oil filter. But I'd have nothing to say if I wasn't complaining![/quote]
I've sent an email to the garage where my 3SFE engine is laid just in case they can recover the sensor easily.....as I said somewhere they are moving premises.

[quote name='Coles' post='694974' date='Nov 19 2007, 11:34 PM']Hi folks...

I'm having an extreme amount of grief trying to track down an oxygen sensor for the manifold converter on my Rav4. Toyota want to charge me £380+Vat just for the part, which is daylight robbery no matter how you look at it.

The part number for the Manifold converter is 25508874170 (bought from Toyota), and the Oxy Sensor before the Cat is 89465-20270 (4 wire, 18mm). The one on the manifold converter appears to be a 12mm, 2 wire sensor, but I've had no luck finding any alternative to the expensive Toyota part.

The Rav is a Japanese import, E-SXA10G-AZMGK, SXA10G-0097090.

I would appreciate any suggestions on tracking down a suitable cheaper sensor, as I am currently tearing great big tufts of hair out of my head.

Thanks,

Coles. [/quote]

The part number you want is 89425-42010 at a cost of 295.41 retail

Kingo's price is £255.74 delivered to any UK address, [b]saving you £40[/b]

PM me if you want to order one

Kingo

[quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='695050' date='Nov 20 2007, 08:20 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='695022' date='Nov 20 2007, 01:37 AM']Thanks for the replies.

It is the 3SFE engine... Oxygen sensors seem to be a common complaint with the Rav4, and the one on the manifold converter is not particularly easy to get at. Almost as hard to get at as the bloody oil filter. But I'd have nothing to say if I wasn't complaining![/quote]
I've sent an email to the garage where my 3SFE engine is laid just in case they can recover the sensor easily.....as I said somewhere they are moving premises.
[/quote]
Thanks bothwell_buyer! If they still have it, could you get them to test it just to make sure it's working properly. I'd say there is enough info in this thread for you to determine that it is definitely the correct sensor... Send me a PM if it is, and we'll see if we can do a deal.

Thanks again,
Coles

[quote name='Parts-King' post='695061' date='Nov 20 2007, 09:12 AM']The part number you want is 89425-42010 at a cost of 295.41 retail

Kingo's price is £255.74 delivered to any UK address, [b]saving you £40[/b]

PM me if you want to order one

Kingo [/quote]
Thanks Kingo.

I'll keep that in mind. How long would I be waiting after ordering?

Coles.

[quote name='Coles' post='695426' date='Nov 20 2007, 11:44 PM'][quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='695050' date='Nov 20 2007, 08:20 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='695022' date='Nov 20 2007, 01:37 AM']Thanks for the replies.

It is the 3SFE engine... Oxygen sensors seem to be a common complaint with the Rav4, and the one on the manifold converter is not particularly easy to get at. Almost as hard to get at as the bloody oil filter. But I'd have nothing to say if I wasn't complaining![/quote]
I've sent an email to the garage where my 3SFE engine is laid just in case they can recover the sensor easily.....as I said somewhere they are moving premises.
[/quote]
Thanks bothwell_buyer! If they still have it, could you get them to test it just to make sure it's working properly. I'd say there is enough info in this thread for you to determine that it is definitely the correct sensor... Send me a PM if it is, and we'll see if we can do a deal.

Thanks again,
Coles
[/quote]
I'll nick up and check to see whats on the engine and if its ok. The engine was running fine before it was removed.

[quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='695473' date='Nov 21 2007, 07:43 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='695426' date='Nov 20 2007, 11:44 PM'][quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='695050' date='Nov 20 2007, 08:20 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='695022' date='Nov 20 2007, 01:37 AM']Thanks for the replies.

It is the 3SFE engine... Oxygen sensors seem to be a common complaint with the Rav4, and the one on the manifold converter is not particularly easy to get at. Almost as hard to get at as the bloody oil filter. But I'd have nothing to say if I wasn't complaining![/quote]
I've sent an email to the garage where my 3SFE engine is laid just in case they can recover the sensor easily.....as I said somewhere they are moving premises.
[/quote]
Thanks bothwell_buyer! If they still have it, could you get them to test it just to make sure it's working properly. I'd say there is enough info in this thread for you to determine that it is definitely the correct sensor... Send me a PM if it is, and we'll see if we can do a deal.

Thanks again,
Coles
[/quote]
I'll nick up and check to see whats on the engine and if its ok. The engine was running fine before it was removed.
[/quote]
Brilliant! ...fingers crossed that it's still there.

[quote name='Coles' post='695441' date='Nov 21 2007, 12:27 AM'][quote name='Parts-King' post='695061' date='Nov 20 2007, 09:12 AM']The part number you want is 89425-42010 at a cost of 295.41 retail

Kingo's price is £255.74 delivered to any UK address, [b]saving you £40[/b]

PM me if you want to order one

Kingo [/quote]
Thanks Kingo.

I'll keep that in mind. How long would I be waiting after ordering?

Coles.
[/quote]

I order everyday, and get deliveries within 48 hours, plus shipping to you, so 3-4 days maximum I would say

Kingo

Many thanks to all who assisted. After much searching I have the sensor ordered from Japarts. Still no bargain at £151.00 plus Vat, but I figured it was better to have the new part. Bothwell_buyer, I hope you haven't gone to any trouble over this, and thanks again.

Coles.

[quote name='Coles' post='695974' date='Nov 22 2007, 07:24 PM']Many thanks to all who assisted. After much searching I have the sensor ordered from Japarts. Still no bargain at £151.00 plus Vat, but I figured it was better to have the new part. Bothwell_buyer, I hope you haven't gone to any trouble over this, and thanks again.

Coles. [/quote]
Sorry Coles. My father wasn't too well earlier this week; and my mother who was in a nursing home died tonight somewhat unexpectedly so i just haven't had time to go round to the garage. I should have said but it was one of these things where everything was happening at once. Anyway, hopefully you'll be up and running properly soon.. whens the RAV4 rally to Wicklow happening cos I want a ticket!

[url="http://www.lambdasensor.com/main/index.htm"]http://www.lambdasensor.com/main/index.htm[/url]

[quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='696104' date='Nov 23 2007, 02:37 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='695974' date='Nov 22 2007, 07:24 PM']Many thanks to all who assisted. After much searching I have the sensor ordered from Japarts. Still no bargain at £151.00 plus Vat, but I figured it was better to have the new part. Bothwell_buyer, I hope you haven't gone to any trouble over this, and thanks again.

Coles. [/quote]
Sorry Coles. My father wasn't too well earlier this week; and my mother who was in a nursing home died tonight somewhat unexpectedly so i just haven't had time to go round to the garage. I should have said but it was one of these things where everything was happening at once. Anyway, hopefully you'll be up and running properly soon.. whens the RAV4 rally to Wicklow happening cos I want a ticket!
[/quote]

Very sorry to hear your news mate. I hope things soon settle down for you.

Kind regards

[quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='696104' date='Nov 23 2007, 12:37 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='695974' date='Nov 22 2007, 07:24 PM']Many thanks to all who assisted. After much searching I have the sensor ordered from Japarts. Still no bargain at £151.00 plus Vat, but I figured it was better to have the new part. Bothwell_buyer, I hope you haven't gone to any trouble over this, and thanks again.

Coles. [/quote]
Sorry Coles. My father wasn't too well earlier this week; and my mother who was in a nursing home died tonight somewhat unexpectedly so i just haven't had time to go round to the garage. I should have said but it was one of these things where everything was happening at once. Anyway, hopefully you'll be up and running properly soon.. whens the RAV4 rally to Wicklow happening cos I want a ticket!
[/quote]
Bothwell_buyer, sorry to hear of your loss. The passing of a parent is a profound moment in a lifetime, but I believe a parent has immortality within their children.

It turns out that the sensor that fits onto the manifold converter is in fact a 2-wire temperature sensor (part no. 89425-42010). I think it's time I bought a Haynes manual.

While Ireland has no shortage of rubbishy roads, it doesn't have a network of 'green-roads' like in the UK. I drive a 1986 Mk 1 Pajero, and have been trying to find good cross country routes over the Wicklow mountains. There are some great drives, but very often they are locked by the forestry management board, Coillte.

Hi folks...

Just writing up my experiences of replacing the manifold converter and oxygen sensor on my wife's Rav...

The Rav in question is an 1995 SXA10, 3 door, Japanese import, 3SFE engine. The car failed the emissions test with a high-idle Lambda reading fluctuating between 0.4 and 0.6. At first I thought it was just the oxygen sensor, but since that initial thought it has been a steep and expensive learning curve. If a faulty oxygen sensor is not replaced fairly quickly after going on the blink, the Cat quickly follows... and that is the condition we bought the car in (don't ask, long story...).

The manifold converter is located at the very front of the engine just under the exhaust manifold. First disconnect the sensor connections and remove the top heat shield. Simple. Then remove the bolts from the mounting bracket (down on the left beside the oil filter). Now it is necessary to detach the manifold from the engine block and the exhaust pipe from underneath. Not too tricky. Then the manifold and converter just lift out.

Most of the rest of the job can be done at a work bench (or at the kitchen table, as in this case). The replacement Cat needs to be fitted with the heat shields and heat sensor/probe (part no. 89425-42010) from the old one... no real problems but care should be taken to avoid damage to the old probe as they are ridiculously expensive from Toyota. WD40 worked a treat. Don't worry about trying to remove the threaded mounting bolts from the old Cat... it's almost impossible without damaging
the threads... just be sure to have some 10mm x 1.25mm machine bolts to replace them (20mm thread).

The old Cat can then be detached from the manifold. It's held on with five bolts and again it was difficult not to ruin them, but these can be replaced with 8mm machine bolts if you do. On this occasion the Cat was completely empty. Nothing inside it whatsoever. The new Cat can then be bolted on to the manifold... (it's worth having replacement gaskets - they don't come with the Cat, and I think a new top one is particularly important). Simple enough.

Now remove the old oxygen sensor (part no. 89465-20270) from the manifold and replace it with the new. (If you are using a spurious part then the wiring diagram can be found online without too much searching).

Putting the Rav back together again is simple enough, but I would suggest that you take the opportunity to change the oil filter while you have the manifold off... nice and easy...

On starting the car, smoke could clearly be seen coming from the join between the manifold and the converter, but after a 20km drive that problem resolved itself... I assume because of the new top gasket. If you need to tighten these bolts with the manifold in place you will need at least one 'wobble' extension bar to get a socket on to them.

And that's that. Easy. I suppose it would have been easier if I had a Haynes manual, and/or a proper workshop, but it really isn't too complicated a job.


By the way, this Rav was suffering from that nasty raspy noise that comes from under the engine when revving. This noise is caused partly by loose heat shields on the exhaust pipe (can be fixed with a couple of jubilee clips), but mainly by the dodgy Cat. If your Rav suffers from that noise I recommend checking the manifold converter.


I hope this information is of some use to someone in the future.

Weel done that man!!

[quote name='Parts-King' post='695061' date='Nov 20 2007, 09:12 AM'][quote name='Coles' post='694974' date='Nov 19 2007, 11:34 PM']Hi folks...

I'm having an extreme amount of grief trying to track down an oxygen sensor for the manifold converter on my Rav4. Toyota want to charge me £380+Vat just for the part, which is daylight robbery no matter how you look at it.

The part number for the Manifold converter is 25508874170 (bought from Toyota), and the Oxy Sensor before the Cat is 89465-20270 (4 wire, 18mm). The one on the manifold converter appears to be a 12mm, 2 wire sensor, but I've had no luck finding any alternative to the expensive Toyota part.

The Rav is a Japanese import, E-SXA10G-AZMGK, SXA10G-0097090.

I would appreciate any suggestions on tracking down a suitable cheaper sensor, as I am currently tearing great big tufts of hair out of my head.

Thanks,

Coles. [/quote]

The part number you want is 89425-42010 at a cost of 295.41 retail

hi i,ve just bought the simler part though ebuy from the usa total price under £70 with pastage part also listed as 89467-42010 or denso 234-9028
was qouted £171 to buy part from tamworth toyota

Kingo's price is £255.74 delivered to any UK address, [b]saving you £40[/b]

PM me if you want to order one

Kingo
[/quote]

Thanks Coles. Your info is very handy!
My wife has just bought a 1995 Import Rav4 L that has failed the MOT on emissions. The garage have said the cat & pre-cat sensor needs replacing, but due to the price I thought I'd have look into doing it myself. Does the Rav4 have a central Cat converter (underneath the car) or just the manifold converter? I ask as ours appears to have a straight through pipe after the manifold converter and this is the only place i can find any sensors. However, pictures of 'catalytic coverters' I have found do not appear to match the manifold converter, but rather the centre of the exhaust under the car. Eg. [url="http://www.autobits.co.uk/store/view_product.php?product=4684http://www.autobits.co.uk/store/view_product.php?product=4684"]Correct Converter?[/url]
If there is only the manifold converter to replace, is it a Toyoya dealer part only?

Apologies if this doesn't make much sense, but I'm quite confused!!

[quote name='PJB' post='746811' date='Apr 26 2008, 01:30 PM']Thanks Coles. Your info is very handy!
My wife has just bought a 1995 Import Rav4 L that has failed the MOT on emissions. The garage have said the cat & pre-cat sensor needs replacing, but due to the price I thought I'd have look into doing it myself. Does the Rav4 have a central Cat converter (underneath the car) or just the manifold converter? I ask as ours appears to have a straight through pipe after the manifold converter and this is the only place i can find any sensors. However, pictures of 'catalytic coverters' I have found do not appear to match the manifold converter, but rather the centre of the exhaust under the car. Eg. [url="http://www.autobits.co.uk/store/view_product.php?product=4684http://www.autobits.co.uk/store/view_product.php?product=4684"]Correct Converter?[/url]
If there is only the manifold converter to replace, is it a Toyoya dealer part only?

Apologies if this doesn't make much sense, but I'm quite confused!![/quote]

Dya know but I'm not that sure! I never had a problem with it. I would get the car checked by an exhaust/tuning specialist personally for an opinion. I'd a look at the Haynes USA manual and it wasn't too clear - but then its for the USA market.

If need be, I'm sure you can pick up a second hand one from a Jap scrappy once you know what bits you need. I'll ask the guys at The Garage what they are doing with the one on number 2 RAV, as that will be getting a new exhaust for the turbo engine.

Dya know but I'm not that sure! I never had a problem with it. I would get the car checked by an exhaust/tuning specialist personally for an opinion. I'd a look at the Haynes USA manual and it wasn't too clear - but then its for the USA market.

If need be, I'm sure you can pick up a second hand one from a Jap scrappy once you know what bits you need. I'll ask the guys at The Garage what they are doing with the one on number 2 RAV, as that will be getting a new exhaust for the turbo engine.
[/quote]

Thanks for the response. It's not like any exhaust I've seen before, but I'm not really used to 4x4's.
It was looked over by a guy at kwikfit, as it was there for MOT. They just said "you need a new cat & pre-cat sensor. Main dealer only parts & need importing so long wait & very expensive".
I've had a couple of quotes for 2nd hand parts from Jap scrappies but having looked under the car myself now I'm not convinced I'll just be buying parts that won't fit! It looks more to me like its been de-catted but previous owner has not worked on it so it may have occured in Japan before it came over.
Do you have an import too then? Perhaps replacing the whole exhaust with a used part would be my best bet?

I have a 95 Rav 4 2 ltr. running on LPG. works a treat regularly serviced but failed MOT due to High Emissions in the 6 range.
local chap done analyser and readings all to pop... suspect computer fail?

cat fits after the downpipe if you got long tubed version you need to put it in.

Toyota said bring it in we will analys and run computor test says no fault codes? (not what I asked to do) sugested must be the Catt. got new Catt ..($200 pound fitted ATS) guess what new MOT and failed reading in the 6 range..
WTF...
asked for a tuner to try tune up but i will search scrap mercants in kosovo and grab all sensors so i can test when I get home.

any ideas car has 120000 but runs sweet and comfy. should i scrap it?

Its worth waiting for bothy (as above). He has lots of experience with that model and LPG. He can get them to run on meths and old apple cores (mainly apple cores as he drinks the meths).

He's probably fixing the LR but will come back during the hours of darkness.

[quote name='cp03797' post='747098' date='Apr 27 2008, 01:42 PM']I have a 95 Rav 4 2 ltr. running on LPG. works a treat regularly serviced but failed MOT due to High Emissions in the 6 range.
local chap done analyser and readings all to pop... suspect computer fail?

cat fits after the downpipe if you got long tubed version you need to put it in.

Toyota said bring it in we will analys and run computor test says no fault codes? (not what I asked to do) sugested must be the Catt. got new Catt ..($200 pound fitted ATS) guess what new MOT and failed reading in the 6 range..
WTF...
asked for a tuner to try tune up but i will search scrap mercants in kosovo and grab all sensors so i can test when I get home.

any ideas car has 120000 but runs sweet and comfy. should i scrap it?[/quote]
depending on the LPG management system used, some of them have an ecu thing which basically takes it lead from the petrol system - so if the petrol system is wrong, then the lpg will be as well.

At 120k miles, the 3SFE engine will, I expect be using a little oil/slightly smoky but not so bad as to fail the MOT. Did the garage try the normal things like ensuring the engine is up at working temperature?

You could try an engine tuning specialist (don't bother with dealers as they don't understand LPG) who also deals with propane. Maybe check the spark plug gap as I seem to remember its slightly different when running with LPG.

Other thing is what we've tried with the landrover - cans of the 'no-smoke' stuff that you add to the fuel (not to the LPG as it would be rather hard!).
Nitrous oxide is meant to be good.
I'd also try feeding it some higher octane petrol.

If need be, borrow another RAV and change the plates.

[quote name='cp03797' post='747098' date='Apr 27 2008, 01:42 PM']cat fits after the downpipe if you got long tubed version you need to put it in.[/quote]

I don't have a cat after the downpipe, just a front converter in the manifold.
[url="http://www.cats-direct-shop.co.uk/exhaust-systems.php?recordID=3041"]Missing part[/url] From looking at this picture I just have a straight through where part no 311289 is. Adding a cat here would obviously help with the emissions, but seems weird how it has passsed in previous years without one (or the additional sensor??)

[quote name='PJB' post='747332' date='Apr 28 2008, 08:38 AM'][quote name='cp03797' post='747098' date='Apr 27 2008, 01:42 PM']cat fits after the downpipe if you got long tubed version you need to put it in.[/quote]

I don't have a cat after the downpipe, just a front converter in the manifold.
[url="http://www.cats-direct-shop.co.uk/exhaust-systems.php?recordID=3041"]Missing part[/url] From looking at this picture I just have a straight through where part no 311289 is. Adding a cat here would obviously help with the emissions, but seems weird how it has passsed in previous years without one (or the additional sensor??)
[/quote]
Some MOT stations will pass - the threshold date for emmissions is around 1993/4???

I still think you may have a 3SGE engine fitted.

[quote name='bothwell_buyer' post='747352' date='Apr 28 2008, 09:48 AM'][quote name='PJB' post='747332' date='Apr 28 2008, 08:38 AM'][quote name='cp03797' post='747098' date='Apr 27 2008, 01:42 PM']cat fits after the downpipe if you got long tubed version you need to put it in.[/quote]

I don't have a cat after the downpipe, just a front converter in the manifold.
[url="http://www.cats-direct-shop.co.uk/exhaust-systems.php?recordID=3041"]Missing part[/url] From looking at this picture I just have a straight through where part no 311289 is. Adding a cat here would obviously help with the emissions, but seems weird how it has passsed in previous years without one (or the additional sensor??)
[/quote]
Some MOT stations will pass - the threshold date for emmissions is around 1993/4???

I still think you may have a 3SGE engine fitted.
[/quote]

It is an import, and it certainly seems to shift!! I'll have a look tonight to see if I can tell.
According to Coles guide to replacing his manifold converter it seems to be the same problem and layout and there was no mention of a 2nd cat in that description.
I'll be taking to a guy who specialises in Japanese imports on Saturday if I can't get it sorted myself by then. He used to work on my FTO but hopes he can apply a similar knowledge to the Rav!!

The RAV was fitted with the 3SFE engine which was quite nippy - 18.5 secs standing quarter mile. The 3SFE has been used in a few other cars as well.

There was a post from a chap a few months ago who had an import with a 3SGE engine - which is generallly found in MR2s I think, and was fitted to RAVs elsewhere. Its a better engine and faster again.
I'd have thought you could doctor the engine for the MOT test with the nitrous or smoke free stuff. If my landrover managed to pass an MOT earlier this year (in South Wales) then anything is possible. I could give you the garages name as they obviously have a sensory-impaired MOT mechanic. (Are you allowed to say bent on this forum?).