Posted 05 February 2010 - 11:26 PM
We've got a 55 plate Aygo+ with 12k on the clock, we've had the car since September last year and we've had quite a few issues with it, luckily we got it from Toyota so it's got a years warrenty.
Right the main thing I'm concerned about is the gearbox, weather the engine is hot or cold it does not want to go into 1st, 2nd or 3rd gear smoothly this is changing up and down the box, it's a manuel by the way.
It also wont go into 1 st unless the car is a a full standstill,
It has been back to Toyota twice for this issue, the 1st time they said they adjusted the clutch the 2nd they said this was normal for this engine and gearbox. Whilst at the dealers on our last visit I got to drive another Aygo, again a 55 plate but with 22k on the clock and this one changed gear a lot smoother than our one.
So my question is;
How smooth is your gearbox ?
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 11:31 PM
Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:08 AM
Dare I suggest that if you are having any issues with the gearbox, that sounds like a gearbox fault to me. Unless other [manual] Aygo owners can comment otherwise, I would suggest you start talking about rejecting the car. No gearbox should be difficult to find gears in.
Start talking about rejecting the car? Its a bit late for that now. My Aygo has problems sometimes shifting into first gear, but its rare. The owners had the car since September. I d suggest not to give "legal advice" to any party with out legal knowlegde. Here`s an example why:
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 05:48 AM
Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:17 AM
After about 20,000 miles it did have slight difficulty getting into 1st gear but all that was required was a little more force...
Since then there have been no problems and will go into 1st gear absolutly fine so the niggle fixed itself.
I would suggest it is a bit late to reject the car but not too late to confront your dealer and demand that they come up with a solution to the problem. Usually with a little persuasion they will take a closer look! Don't accept having a problem with your gearbox like that!
Posted 06 February 2010 - 09:46 AM
as first gear is not synchronised... Neither is reverse by the way...
In cold wheather it can be a bit harder to select gears,
but once everything warms up it should go smooth.
And I would consider a car with more miles to have smoother changes normal too:
the hard edges have worn slightly, so everything slides into each other easier.
Posted 07 February 2010 - 02:20 AM
Luckily in the case of my Wife, her first Aygo, new at '55 plate, survived the 3 years, but the pedal was very close to the top of travel when she traded it for another, a year ago, a '58 built Platinum, at a great deal. I have been following this Forum on her behalf, and am happy that the new car has a revised clutch unit, but the adjustment method is still manual, at the cable-end at the lever above the clutch bell-housing. I have noticed that the new car has a large dollop of heavy grease covering this thread/nut area, as it is vital that it can be readily worked on at services, when they will do the adjusting.
You need to supply the dealer with printouts from this forum, from each owner who posted their clutch woes, and the outcome. :--- use the "search" function to find these. Toyota Customer Relations may not be the best first approach, as the link to dealers can be tenuous. The salesman at the dealership can be gazumped by an appeal to the top man,-- the "Dealer Principal", and my own Son once got a lot of help from the "After-Sales-Manager", at a SEAT dealership where some very bad maintenance had been done, although we had bought him that car 100 miles away. The dealership also had AUDI and VW, and SKODA, so reputation was very important.
Luckily both Aygos have been dry, and only one water pump, a radiator, and a rear hatch latch, have been needed, all promptly attended under warranty. There are some eagle-eyed mechanics around, but I saw the leak from the top plastic header-tank on the radiator myself, the day prior to our water-pump job, and they had one in stock!
The cost of a clutch renewal will no doubt be why the salesman is dragging his feet, as the cost will come out of his commission, not the firm itself;-- about £500 to a customer, and his preferential labour-rate from the workshop dept., won't help much in these days where each part of a dealership has to be profitable in its own right. (My father was in the motor-trade all his life, so I am well aware of the internal problems)
Posted 07 February 2010 - 06:08 PM
I d suggest not to give "legal advice" to any party with out legal knowlegde.
I'm not giving legal advice - but rather expressing my opinnion. There is a difference.
I do however agree with you about jumping on the legal bandwagon, however we are not talking about a camber sensitivty. We're talking about car not finding/going into gear. I don't know of a gearbox where it is difficult to select a gear and this is considered normal behaviour? Manual boxes should have a smooth, positive ('rifle bolt like') gear shift.
Posted 07 February 2010 - 09:51 PM
Posted 08 February 2010 - 07:37 AM
Just thought i'd add my response as mine does this too sometimes. I have an '09 plate platinum model and it has had problems on and off since I got it, I just put it down to the way I was handling it. It has got a lot better more recently but still on occasion I find it really hard to put it into 2nd and 3rd gear. The same occurs with 1st gear, only really going in easily if at a standstill. Hope you get it sorted..wondering if I should now! All I seem to do is go back to the toyota with problems...ah well.
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