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I just took my Yaris in for its annual service, mentioning the early morning clutch judder that a few of us get, and they came back and said I needed a new clutch, costing the thick end of £700!! :eek: :censor: :ffs:

The car's only done 42,000 miles, and I've only owned it for half of those!

I must say the biting point is very high, but I suspect it's the same thing from last year (i.e. after they changed the brake/clutch fluid and it was fine for about a month but then started climbing again).

The thing is the clutch isn't so worn that it slips during normal driving and I'm really not keen on blowing over £700 this close to Christmas.

The service guy reckons it's due to all the stop-start traffic up steep hills I tend to get stuck in, but even so, I'd've expected the clutch to last way longer than 42k!

It's not like I'm riding the damned thing all the time, and usually I'm in quite a high gear so it shouldn't be slipping from hard acceleration!

Why is it wearing ot so fast?!

Ugh!

Does anyone know where I could get a more heavy duty clutch for this car for when I do change it? I don't think the 1.0, 1.3 and D4D use different clutches.

I wonder if I could cram the clutch from the 2.0 D4D Corolla into a Yaris...

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I see large numbers of drivers stuck in traffic for ages just holding the car on the clutch, stationary or just inching forward.It would be amazing if the clutch lasted 10000 miles under these conditions.

I'm not suggesting that the OP is guilty of such poor skills, it's just a comment on the many lazy and unskilled drivers we meet on the road today.

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I'd find a good independent garage or a gearbox specialist and ask them for a price. You don't need to pay main dealer labour rates for a cluch swap, which is a very straightforward job if you have the tools.

Shouldn't be more than a couple of hours labour and the cost of a clutch plate....

Mind you - just done a search and this place wants £250 for the parts on a 1.3 Yaris. They only want £90 for the same parts for a 1.3 Yaris Verso. I don't understand the difference....

http://www.aepdirect.com/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&category_id=4812&product_id=4437

http://www.aepdirect.com/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&category_id=4817&product_id=4355&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base

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I wonder if I could cram the clutch from the 2.0 D4D Corolla into a Yaris...

Getting the zip fasteners to line up would be the hardest bit :yahoo: :D

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I see large numbers of drivers stuck in traffic for ages just holding the car on the clutch, stationary or just inching forward.It would be amazing if the clutch lasted 10000 miles under these conditions.

I'm not suggesting that the OP is guilty of such poor skills, it's just a comment on the many lazy and unskilled drivers we meet on the road today.

Yeah, I really hate that in winter - It seems like 90% of drivers just sit on the footbrake in 1st while waiting at lights and it fries my retinas!

I always go neutral+handbrake unless it's just a short wait...

It's particularly galling as I have been trying to be gentle to the clutch; Gentle engaging, not riding it in slow traffic but instead letting a gap build so I can roll further engaged in 1st, block shifting to higher gears (Well, that's more for the fuel saving ;))

Augh!

What are these people who are getting 100,000 miles out of their clutches doing that I ain't?!

(Well, unless they're just driving on motorways forever... :lol: )

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Hey, will clutches for the 1.5L Yarisses fit 1.3 and D4D Yarises?

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Hey, will clutches for the 1.5L Yarisses fit 1.3 and D4D Yarises?

No/All different...

The D4D has a different flywheel for a start...

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If you're referring to DMF, I though only the Mk2 Yaris' had those?

Gah, I had thought all the Mk1's used the same clutch kit :(

This is going to be a problem if that isn't the case as I haven't seen a single non-Toyota clutchkit labelled specifically for a D4D, just 'Yaris/Echo' or for 1.5 and 1.0/1.3!

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I just took my Yaris in for its annual service, mentioning the early morning clutch judder that a few of us get, and they came back and said I needed a new clutch, costing the thick end of £700!! :eek: :censor: :ffs:

The car's only done 42,000 miles, and I've only owned it for half of those!

I must say the biting point is very high, but I suspect it's the same thing from last year (i.e. after they changed the brake/clutch fluid and it was fine for about a month but then started climbing again).

The thing is the clutch isn't so worn that it slips during normal driving and I'm really not keen on blowing over £700 this close to Christmas.

The service guy reckons it's due to all the stop-start traffic up steep hills I tend to get stuck in, but even so, I'd've expected the clutch to last way longer than 42k!

It's not like I'm riding the damned thing all the time, and usually I'm in quite a high gear so it shouldn't be slipping from hard acceleration!

Why is it wearing ot so fast?!

Ugh!

Does anyone know where I could get a more heavy duty clutch for this car for when I do change it? I don't think the 1.0, 1.3 and D4D use different clutches.

I wonder if I could cram the clutch from the 2.0 D4D Corolla into a Yaris...

Do you have trouble with your gear change?

I ask this as mine judders as well , also the gear change is a bit stiff and sometimes hard to put in gear,

I have to have the pedal pressed right down to the floor.

Mine has done 52000

Was quoted around £400 late last year for a clutch change.

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@madfishy - I saw those too but I'm a bit suspicious; They look like 1.3L clutches, and are usually either Sachs or Exedy parts, but if you search Exedy or Sachs, they don't list any clutches, performance or otherwise, for the Yaris D4D, only the petrol ones!

I think I'd have to contact them directly to get confirmation and part numbers in case their websites just never get updated.

The fact that I haven't found one non-ebay car parts web retailers that stocks those parts also makes me suspicious...

It's particularly annoying that googling "(yaris OR echo OR vitz) D4D clutch" finds very little relevant things, and if you hit the 'shopping' bit of google, 99% of the hits are the same eBay links you posted but from different countries! :lol:

@howard - It's sometimes a bit reluctant going into 1st or reverse when cold, but if I 'roll' the car a teensy bit they will usually just slot in. Other than that, the gear shifts have been quite smooth.

I have had the odd occasion where it feels like the dog collar teeth have managed to miss both pits and I have to clutch -> neutral -> clutch -> try again to get it to go in smoothly, but that's about it...

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Do you have trouble with your gear change?

I ask this as mine judders as well , also the gear change is a bit stiff and sometimes hard to put in gear,

I have to have the pedal pressed right down to the floor.

Mine has done 52000

55000 on my W reg 1.0GS and it is exactly as you describe. Pedal travel is quite short as well.

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The car's only done 42,000 miles, and I've only owned it for half of those!

Maybe whoever had the car before you abused the clutch and you are now reaping the rewards!! ... one reason to buy a new car, you know exactly how its been treated!

£700 seems kinda steep to replace it, try getting some quotes from smaller independent garages.

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Well, after much searching, I have found that there are quite a few manufacturers of diesel Yaris clutches. They all appear to be OEM tho', no 'sports/heavy duty' grade ones.

Finding suppliers is the real trick; I've only found a handful of places which actually advertise, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience with particular manufacturer's?

I found a single store which sells Yaris clutches made by more than one OEM:

Exedy, LUK, QH, Sachs and Blueprint ADL - All similar prices give or take a tenner. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations either way.

Strangely, the Exedy clutch is marketed as a sports clutch, but Exedy told me they only make stock clutches for diesel Yarisses!

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you should be able to buy a clutch in any motor factors lad.

toyota dont make clutches, i dont know who the manufacturer is but as a replacment you couldnt go wrong with exedy, they are know for doing very good aftermarket/heavy duty clutches so the standard ones would be good i would imagine.

if you just bring the car to a back street garage they will more than likely use the blueprint clutch, nothing wrong with that either.

cant see why you cant get it done for £350....thats about all it would be over here anyway :thumbsup:

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Yeah, that's what I'd expected for a clutch change, not £700!!

The lowest quote I'd had so far from a non-toyota place was £450, which still ain't great. Gonna have to check with the two travelling mechanics I know next to see what they say...

BTW, has anyone used azcarparts on eBay or http://www.azcarparts.co.uk/?

I found them while trying to see how much I could get the clutch for myself (vs. the £250-300 the garages have been telling me it costs)

They've got very low prices advertised but when I rang them up to check an Exedy clutch they were like "Oooh no, that clutch won't work in yours even 'tho it says Yaris 1.4 D4D NLP10 just like yours, you need this blueprint adl one which costs £50 more!" and when I asked him for the part numbers so I could double-check they said they didn't have it!!

Worse yet, I rang back, got a different guy, gave him the part number I got from Exedy and instantly he pulled up the clutch, albeit £40 more than what it says on their website.

I'm not sure if the guys I was speaking to were just trying to play me (Easily solved by ordering via the website!) or whether they are actually a dodgy op; It's annoying that they're £40 cheaper on their website or I'd drop them faster than one of Raist's jokes! :lol:

I do get that vibe of "If it's too good to be true, it is" from them alas :(

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Oh BTW, is it also recommended to change the slave cylinder when changing the clutch?

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  • 2 weeks later...

Finally bit the bullet and got the clutch sorted; £390 by a travelling mechanic who was a friend of a friend :eek: :P

The bad news was the clutch plate was fine; Easily had another 20-30k of wear left on it!!! :crybaby:

However, the problem turned out to be the diaphragm spring and release bearing; The mech reckoned the grease on the bearing looked like it had been exposed to too much heat and cooked slightly which hadn't helped things, but the diaphragm spring was pretty buggered; It was flattened, the fingers weren't all level and slightly bent in where they press against the release bearing.

Also, the clutch was worn pretty weirdly; The outer surface of the friction ring was polished shiny but the inner portion was noticeably less worn. Probably not a good sign... suggests the clutch plate wasn't being pressed properly flat :S

I don't think I ride the clutch overmuch and I don't leave it pushed in all the time (Not like what seems the majority of motorists you see at the lights with the brake lights on and clutch in because they don't want to take that extra step to handbrake+neutral! :ffs: ) so I'm not sure how it happened; At this point I'm just going to blame the previous owner :P

But now it's all been replaced and the car is ossom again! :yahoo::clap:

And as a bonus, it's also fixed the cold-stutter problem that seems common with Mk1 Yarisses :D

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I just took my Yaris in for its annual service, mentioning the early morning clutch judder that a few of us get, and they came back and said I needed a new clutch, costing the thick end of £700!! :eek: :censor: :ffs:

The car's only done 42,000 miles, and I've only owned it for half of those!

I must say the biting point is very high, but I suspect it's the same thing from last year (i.e. after they changed the brake/clutch fluid and it was fine for about a month but then started climbing again).

The thing is the clutch isn't so worn that it slips during normal driving and I'm really not keen on blowing over £700 this close to Christmas.

The service guy reckons it's due to all the stop-start traffic up steep hills I tend to get stuck in, but even so, I'd've expected the clutch to last way longer than 42k!

It's not like I'm riding the damned thing all the time, and usually I'm in quite a high gear so it shouldn't be slipping from hard acceleration!

Why is it wearing ot so fast?!

Ugh!

Does anyone know where I could get a more heavy duty clutch for this car for when I do change it? I don't think the 1.0, 1.3 and D4D use different clutches.

I wonder if I could cram the clutch from the 2.0 D4D Corolla into a Yaris...

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I just took my Yaris in for its annual service, mentioning the early morning clutch judder that a few of us get, and they came back and said I needed a new clutch, costing the thick end of £700!! :eek: :censor: :ffs:

The car's only done 42,000 miles, and I've only owned it for half of those!

I must say the biting point is very high, but I suspect it's the same thing from last year (i.e. after they changed the brake/clutch fluid and it was fine for about a month but then started climbing again).

The thing is the clutch isn't so worn that it slips during normal driving and I'm really not keen on blowing over £700 this close to Christmas.

The service guy reckons it's due to all the stop-start traffic up steep hills I tend to get stuck in, but even so, I'd've expected the clutch to last way longer than 42k!

It's not like I'm riding the damned thing all the time, and usually I'm in quite a high gear so it shouldn't be slipping from hard acceleration!

Why is it wearing ot so fast?!

Ugh!

Does anyone know where I could get a more heavy duty clutch for this car for when I do change it? I don't think the 1.0, 1.3 and D4D use different clutches.

I wonder if I could cram the clutch from the 2.0 D4D Corolla into a Yaris...

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HI

Join the club!

My mum's Yaris is less than 2 years old and under Toyota warranty.

Took it in for free service. First clutch went at 8,000 miles and was replaced under warranty. Once stripped down, they said Yaris needed another new clutch (18,000 miles). Cost.......£937.08!

Shop around. i expected the clutches to last for more than 8,000 miles!

This is my mum's third yaris, and she's never had problems with clutches before.

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HI

Join the club!

My mum's Yaris is less than 2 years old and under Toyota warranty.

Took it in for free service. First clutch went at 8,000 miles and was replaced under warranty. Once stripped down, they said Yaris needed another new clutch (18,000 miles). Cost.......£937.08!

Shop around. i expected the clutches to last for more than 8,000 miles!

This is my mum's third yaris, and she's never had problems with clutches before.

I had a company Rover 800 where the clutch pressure plate literally went bang when I was sitting in the garage at home and had pressed the clutch prior to engaging first gear... It had done 12k miles. Mind you it was a Rover.

Only clutch problem I have ever had in <cough> years of motoring.. touch wood.

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