Iq Mpg Update

[bobkneale]

My 1.0Ltr Manual IQ MPG remains at an average of around 60 MPG verified by manual calculations at every fill up plus the on board IQ computer plus two different types of scan gauges continuasly plugged in and monitoring.

My IQ has now completed just over 40,000 miles.

I only use Shell V power and my runs are short (between 6 and 15 Miles each) I drive mostly with no passenger on a mixture of A & B roads at an average speed of 40 MPH, maximum MPH of 60 MPH ish.

I cannot do any better than this unless I drive so very carefully it will become a unpleasant experience !

Is anyone getting better than this ?

If so how ?

Positive Regards, Bob

[aaronfife]

Log into Fuelly and calculate your exact mpg. You might be getting even more than you think. I'm averaging 48 - 52 mpg now I use my car around town for work. Sucks majorly as I used to achieve 60 - 65 mpg in my old job to and from work 90% motorway.

[ianlinux]

Edited

[s44gtw]

Bob,

are you near a Tesco with 'Momentum 99;, which is a Minimum 99 ron, & can be a higher Octane on occasion,

and usually 5 pence a litre less than Shell V Power Nitro.

I would still use 'Momentum 99' if it was 5 pence a Litre more than Shell with their wonderful Additives of the likes of Sodium.

(common salt) & their extra cost to cover advertising.

At least they publish easy to find information, unlike Royal Dutch Shell, or others.

http://www.tescopfs.com/momentum99/specifications

http://www.tescopfs.com/momentum99/testing_results

http://greenergy.com

[tarquin]

I used to use momentum from when i first bought the car, but have noticed the maintenance of the Tesco forecourts slowly decline. There are 2 near me that were new installations, then a couple of years on have fallen into decline. There is always at least 2 pumps out of action, clubcard readers don't work, chip and pin card readers worn out along with the buttons. Not of course forgeting the obnoxious staff, who sound like they have been dragged up from the gutter with no manners whatsoever

So i alternate between Shell and Esso depending on what direction i am going in.

David

[ianlinux]

And can we guarantee the output reading on these fuel pumps is accurate and we're not getting swindled? I use to see Trading Standards stickers on pumps all the time, now I hardly see any.

I suppose with people like us "Fuellying" everything, along with on-board computers checking, petrol meisters will be foolish to try swindling people. But then....

Anyway, I'm going off grid. Buying an old simple car that I can maintain mechanically and turning it into an EV. Have had enough of these manufacturers and their exaggerated fuel claims that they then deny when you approach them.

End of the road for my iQ shortly. Approaching original garage for a full refund. They will of course deny me, but I'm going to make the point directly with Toyota HQ in Portsmouth. And then when they've probably denied me, will sell.

[bobkneale]

And can we guarantee the output reading on these fuel pumps is accurate and we're not getting swindled? I use to see Trading Standards stickers on pumps all the time, now I hardly see any.

I suppose with people like us "Fuellying" everything, along with on-board computers checking, petrol meisters will be foolish to try swindling people. But then....

Anyway, I'm going off grid. Buying an old simple car that I can maintain mechanically and turning it into an EV. Have had enough of these manufacturers and their exaggerated fuel claims that they then deny when you approach them.

End of the road for my iQ shortly. Approaching original garage for a full refund. They will of course deny me, but I'm going to make the point directly with Toyota HQ in Portsmouth. And then when they've probably denied me, will sell.

I don't blame you for "Going Off Grid" and buying an old car you can maintain yourself. I am considering the same approach, problem is my current property does not have a garage so my car is parked on the driveway now and I would need a garage to use, I am not planning to move house so that is holding me off buying an old car and rebuilding it myself with a few mods that will lead me towards 100mpg. Anyway I am also fed up with most motor manufacturers poor quality and product life, and their lie's about there products.

[ianlinux]

And can we guarantee the output reading on these fuel pumps is accurate and we're not getting swindled? I use to see Trading Standards stickers on pumps all the time, now I hardly see any.

I suppose with people like us "Fuellying" everything, along with on-board computers checking, petrol meisters will be foolish to try swindling people. But then....

Anyway, I'm going off grid. Buying an old simple car that I can maintain mechanically and turning it into an EV. Have had enough of these manufacturers and their exaggerated fuel claims that they then deny when you approach them.

End of the road for my iQ shortly. Approaching original garage for a full refund. They will of course deny me, but I'm going to make the point directly with Toyota HQ in Portsmouth. And then when they've probably denied me, will sell.

I don't blame you for "Going Off Grid" and buying an old car you can maintain yourself. I am considering the same approach, problem is my current property does not have a garage so my car is parked on the driveway now and I would need a garage to use, I am not planning to move house so that is holding me off buying an old car and rebuilding it myself with a few mods that will lead me towards 100mpg. Anyway I am also fed up with most motor manufacturers poor quality and product life, and their lie's about there products.

Could you get one of those temporary garages Bob? I'm not putting up with this institutionalised car scam much longer. I know they have us over the barrel in many other aspects of ownership, but the more I don't have to play ball the better.

To go 100% EV, I'm looking at an easy car with a good parts supply, no fancy suspension, no power steering and very basic . If a really old car with no anti-corrosion measures, then get the body dipped, repaired/welded and electrophoretically coated like modern cars to stop rust and then work on EV conversion. Might try and look into renting the lithium Battery technology if available.

Plenty of complete DIY kits in the US as usual, but over here it's a case of buying stuff in separately. Would want a good warranty on the engine like the Netgain Warp engines

[bobkneale]

Ian - Perhaps you could consider:

http://www.dragonelectricsportscars.co.uk/tags/road-cars

Or

http://www.e-volks.com/

Or

http://www.autotua.net/electric-automobiles/homemade-green-car-electric-car-conversion-kit/

????

[ianlinux]

Ian - Perhaps you could consider:

http://www.dragonelectricsportscars.co.uk/tags/road-cars

Or

http://www.e-volks.com/

Or

http://www.autotua.net/electric-automobiles/homemade-green-car-electric-car-conversion-kit/

????

Thanks Bob,

[aaronfife]

Ian - Just looking at your Fuelly and can't understand how your filling up full and only getting 170 - 190 miles? That's around 34 mpg! I didn't even get this from my Citroen C2 GT which was 110bhp, 1.6 and was pretty nippy. I'm getting 270 - 320miles from a full tank and least I've had is 260 miles and that was not caring what so ever. Just seems strange your getting 100 miles less.

[ianlinux]

Hi Aaron, I don't always wait until I'm almost out of fuel to fill up. Sometimes it can be half or quarter tank depending on what my week holds.

But the on-board computer tallies pretty well. For instance, at last fill up, Fuelly calculation came to 33.5mpg, whilst the trip computer gave me 33.2mpg. I always check the two and they've never been out by much.

I mean it's just rubbish. I've got friends and relatives with much bigger cars getting better mileage - even my own Citroen C5 is better, and I'd keep that if it wasn't for the AL4 gearbox about to go. Frugality was the main reason why we got the iQ.

I can't wait to get started on my EV. I was considering a two-year old Prius to replace the C5, but not now.

I'll let you know how my contact with Toyota HQ transpires in the next few weeks.

[craggle]

Even my iQ3 with the 1.3 engine gets an average of 50mpg and I certainly don't drive it with economy in mind.

If yours is only doing 33mpg then the brakes are on all the time, there is something wrong with the engine or you are driving it like you stole it all the time.

I used to work for a company that made electric conversions and they simply do not make sense. The cost of the equipment, the batteries, the limited life of the batteries, the limited range of the vehicle, and the problems trying to get it legal for the road not to mention electricity costs to charge the thing, It really didn't make any sense. If it was that easy car manufacturers would be doing it.

They were fun to drive though, very smooth and almost silent. :)

Craig.

[ianlinux]

Hi Craig,

You said, "or you are driving it like you stole it all the time" I like that!

1) Charging - I've worked it out that it'll cost me about £20-£30 per month on a 96V/25A intelligent charging system, and I'd like to combine that with a 100W Tesla Radiant energy collector and possibly some solar panel options. Those with solar panels on their roofs might even be able to hook those into the car charging system.

2) Agree, batteries are the Achilles heel which is why I'm looking into a renting system initially. But Lithium technology is getting better all the time, so the returns are also getting better. But if I'm looking to replace the batteries every 5 years (at £1000-£2000 max), as is my current estimate, then I'll still have an old classic of value that I like to drive and it's still better than perpetually buying into the car manufacturers' scam.

3) The cost of the equipment can be high, but again, £3000 for a NetGain motor or equivalent, and some people use stripped down fork lift motors for a few hundred secondhand, can't be any worse than £2500 for Citroen's AL4 or £6500 for Toyota's CVT, and you don't really need a gearbox in an EV, that only acts as a connection between the motor and driveshafts. And of course you have to add the controller and a few other components - like a bespoke adaptor plate, Battery relay, 12V accessory circuit, monitoring devices etc. As long as there are decent warranties covering the components, and that's also improving, then I'd rather give this a go.

4) I also think EV in the UK is a 3-season affair, or for extended use in mild winters, and there will have to be some advances in cab insulation and warm air circulation.

But apart from (4) and the initial work involved, I'm fairly undaunted and can't wait to progress. I have a mothballed VW Type 1, 1965 and I might just start on that.

EDIT: And some great space to put batteries http://r.ebay.com/Tz7WsK