Buying Advise. 1.33 1.4D

[r30ser]

Hi All,

I am new to Toyota, and I am considering buying a used Yaris.

I have driven a 2010 1.33 petrol manual and 2010 1.4 diesel manual. The diesel felt more fun, with loads of torque, but I am concerned about if things go wrong, it would cost more to fix.

The petrol was ok, but felt like it lacked power, but would it be more reliable long term.

I commute 5 days a week, a total of 40 miles each day (20 miles to work, 20 miles from work), with a mixture of A-roads and Motorway.

I have seen 2 diesels available, one is 57reg SR (which is the 5 Speed) with on 13K miles for £5,500, the other is a 60Reg TR (6 speed) with 54K miles for £6500.

Which would be the better to buy, for the money and future running costs etc..?

Sorry for all the questions, I am just a bit lost in options and choices.

[Catlover]

My wife and I each have a Yaris 1.4D, hers a 58 plate with 70k miles and mine a 59 plate with 49k miles.

We both love our cars, very comfy, seem well built.

Wifes is a 5 speed doing about 57mpg and mine is a 6 speed doing about 62 mpg.

Low tax, 58 plate £30 per year, 59 plate £20 per year.

Of the 1.0 and 1.3 litre petrol, the 1.4 D is nippier, as you report.

I think the 57 plate SR is a bit pricy despite its low miles, make a cheeky offer.

[Alec Ludlow]

I agree with Catlover, the 57 plate is a bit pricey.

I got a 59 plate TR 6 speed (petrol) two months back for £5k. 31k miles immaculate condition.

I reckon you should be able to get the 57 plate for £5k max.

I haven't driven the diesel but it probably will be a bit "nippier". The 1.33 petrol is lively enough for me, although she doesn't like being driven uphill in 6th. :)

Alec.

[Parts-King]

If you could push to a later 2010 model you get the benefit of the 5 year 100K warranty

Ive had both, the 1.4 diesel cant be beaten for torque but its a personal choice depending on your commute etc, it will be far better MPG. I get 45 in a petrol 1.33 and 58 in a diesel

[r30ser]

Thank you to all for the feedback.

I am testing the 1.33 again tomorrow. Hopefully that will decide which engine to go for.

Anyone know of any issues with either engine's?

What is high mileage for a diesel?

Any tips for things to check when browsing the car's?

[Catlover]

You will find issues with any car, for Yaris issues just research this part of the forum.

What is high mileage for a diesel? A diesel engine should easy do 150k so long as it has had its engine oil and filter changed at specified times.

I once had a Peugoet diesel estate with over 340,000 miles on the clock and it still ran very well - but it did have full service history.

[Perfection]

Don't touch the 60R as this may have the dreaded dpf problem .

[MikeSh]

Don't touch the 60R as this may have the dreaded dpf problem .

I wasn't going to say that ^^^, but as far as we can tell DPFs are fitted on the later cars, probably with the 6-speed box. Personally I'd be wary of that given the number of people reporting issues with them on here. I'm sure that as with any newish tech the problems will get ironed out, but might be best to avoid earlier DPF models (any make). That said, the type of regular journey you make might not be a problem.

We have a 58 plate 5-speed and it's very good.

Any modern car engine, diesel or petrol, should be good for 150,000 miles if driven reasonably and serviced correctly. Exception might be a city car that's done a lot of hours and starts but not much actual miles.

[r30ser]

My wife and I each have a Yaris 1.4D, hers a 58 plate with 70k miles and mine a 59 plate with 49k miles.

We both love our cars, very comfy, seem well built.

Wifes is a 5 speed doing about 57mpg and mine is a 6 speed doing about 62 mpg.

Low tax, 58 plate £30 per year, 59 plate £20 per year.

Of the 1.0 and 1.3 litre petrol, the 1.4 D is nippier, as you report.

I think the 57 plate SR is a bit pricy despite its low miles, make a cheeky offer.

Hi Catlover,

Thank you for the feedback.

Do you find any difference in driving between the 2 cars (5 speed and 6 speed)? 0-60, 50-70, etc...

Does the 6 speed have a DPF?

I have asked a Toyota garage, and they said that no Yaris has a DPF! ??

Thanks

[Perfection]

The lower road tax (£20) indicates that the car has DPF.

[r30ser]

The lower road tax (£20) indicates that the car has DPF.

Thank you.

So, does that mean all 6 Speeds have a DPF?

Maybe I am being paranoid about the DPF?

[Perfection]

Yes don't get the 6 speed. It is not usable. If you use 6th gear on the motorway to achieve the required gas temperature to burn off the soot you need to speed of 80mph, breaking the legal limit.

Toyota did a bad design in this respect.

[Catlover]

I am not convinced that my 1.4D 59 plate 6 gear Yaris does have DPF. I have read another thread that has talked about DPF and how it needs clearing and how it does it itself, well I just drive my car and don notice any diffeence over the miles I have traveled - now almost 5k since buying it with just under 45k. Somebody will have to convince me I have a DPF fitted. somehow.

As for noticing any performance difference between my wifes 5 speed 1.4D and my 6 speed 1.4D........ both are very nippy cars. The wife got hers about 3 months ahead of me, and after driving a BMW and a Vectra both with 6 gears I was going for a non exsistant 6th gear. That was because it just seemed natural to change at a certain revs/speed - the 5 gear car just felt as if it needed a 6th gear.

I am no boy racer (not at 67 anyway) so zipping thro gears as if I was on a race track is not my scene, but what I can say I am very please in the performance of both 5 speed and 6 speed Yaris, and thats after moving from a BMW and Vectra diesels developing 150bhp.

[Catlover]

Here is a post from a moderator back in 2013 that I was referring to re Yaris diesels and DPF....

Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:47 PM

It is possible that this is the case in other countries with different emission regulations, but in the UK the history of the 1ND 1.4 D4d is :
Introduced in MK1 Yaris in Late 2001 as a 75bhp 5 speed manual
Contined in MK2 but now with 90bhp 5 Speed manual or 5 speed multimode transmission.
Major revision of the engine in 2009 with new cylinder head and block design with a new injection system, retains 90bhp but gains 10nm of torque and a 6 speed manual or multimode transmission. Mid 2010 see's the addition of a Dpf filter to meet Euro 5 emission regulations.
MK3 is as late MK2 all models include Dpf however the UK does not include 6 speed multimode transmission.
The above is a brief run down of the UK history, this may differ in other countries.

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Two interesting things from that.

1) Major revision of engine in 2009 with new cylinder head and block design..... certainly when I lift the bonnet of the wifes car it is definately different engine to that fitted in mine.

2) Mid 2010 is when DFP were fitted in the UK.

Anyone with any FIRM evidence to suggest otherwise?

Joe

[FROSTYBALLS]

Toyota applied their Optimal Drive technology to all versions of the Yaris from February 2009 - to reduce emissions, improve efficiency and reduce ownership costs.

[Perfection]

The differential pressure sensor for the DPF is located at the driver side of the wiper. So if you open the bonnet you should see it under the wiper plastic cowl. You don't need to remove anything. There will be two tubes and a connector to it.

Hope this helps...

[r30ser]

Hi All,

Thank you so far for the advice.

I have been offered a 1.4D TR 5DR 60Reg with 56K miles, for £6000.

Is this a good deal?

They also offered it on a PCP, £2250 down, and 29 payments at £61.58, with a final payment of £2100.

It works out at 1.9%, any thoughts?

I was also told that a Yaris of that age has no DPF, very conflicting!

Would appreciate any comments.

[Perfection]

I think the price is ok. But I am concerned that the seller is misleading that the car has got no DPF. If is defiantly have one. If the registration is 10R then it will not have a DPF. But for 60R you will have one. My car us a 60R and has one.
You can also verify it by ring up toyota customer service to confirm by giving the the registration number. I did this when I was looking at a Verso to confirm whit has a dpf or not. Only takes a few minutes.

[Catlover]

Yes don't get the 6 speed. It is not usable. If you use 6th gear on the motorway to achieve the required gas temperature to burn off the soot you need to speed of 80mph, breaking the legal limit.

Toyota did a bad design in this respect.

Well then, that negates ALL diesel cars if fitted with DPF, as the bigger the engine I reckon the lower the revs will be in 6th gear. For example my Yaris 1.4D at 70 in 6th equates to about 2200rpm, the Vectra I had 70mph in 6th gear was about 1800rpm

Someone suggested, much earlier post on a different thread, to achieve the "burnout" speed just go down the motorway in 3rd gear at about 50mph for 10 minutes or so. Thats sounds more reasonable thing to do.

Actually, as I go down the M-Way at 70mph in 6th gear (supposedly not hot enough) and the car performs perfectly leads me to believe a 59 plate 6th gear 1.4D doesn not have DPF fitted, which goes along with the post dated 13 November 2013 I copy/pasted a couple of posts ago.

Surely someone from a Toyota dealership knows exactly when DFP were fitted and to what models.

[Perfection]

That's interesting to hear regarding to the engine speed. My Yaris is a 60R and with 6th gear I get 80mph when the engine speed is 2200 rpm.

Maybe prior to 60R has different engine?

[r30ser]

I think the price is ok. But I am concerned that the seller is misleading that the car has got no DPF. If is defiantly have one. If the regeneration is 10R then it will not have a DPF. But for 60R you will have one. My car us a 60R and has one.

You can also verify it by ring up toyota customer service to confirm by giving the the registration number. I did this when I was looking at a Verso to confirm whit has a dpf or not. Only takes a few minutes.

Hi Perfection,

I forgot to mention, this is from a franchised dealer.

What price do you think is realistic?

Is the mileage too high for its age?

Do you have a number for customer services?

[Perfection]

This is the Toyota customer service which also could be found on their website.

01737367600

If you conformed that the car has DPF fitted, are you still going ahead and purchase?

If it does have a DPF fitted and given its mileage at 50k plus. The regeneration cycle could be anything between 30 to 100 miles. So if you are lucky enough, you might see it when it does it by observing the idling speed which will increase from approx. 600rpm to 900rpm.

[r30ser]

This is the Toyota customer service which also could be found on their website.

01737367600

If you conformed that the car has DPF fitted, are you still going ahead and purchase?

If it does have a DPF fitted and given its mileage at 50k plus. The regeneration cycle could be anything between 30 to 100 miles. So if you are lucky enough, you might see it when it does it by observing the idling speed which will increase from approx. 600rpm to 900rpm.

So the advice is, if it has DPF stay away?

If not its a good deal?

Im confused about your comment regarding the regeneration cycle. Does this happen every 30-100 miles into a journey? or at time?

[Perfection]

My advise is stay away from DPF. It's has taken me and another poster here for more 15 months to get it diagnosed and agree that it's a problem.

When the dpf becomes blocked the ecu will detect this and will initiate regeneration. The regeneration is basically adding diesel to the exhaust system via a 5th injector to raise the exhaust gas temperature in order to burn off the soot into ash. The regeneration process could take 20 minutes long. During this period if you switch the engine off, he unburnt diesel finds its way into the engine sump and contaminates the engine oil. Gradually the oil level will rise and you need to drain the oil to the correct level.

In my experience, if you interrupt the regeneration process like switching the engine off for about 10 times. The oil level could rise upto an inch above the max level in the dip stick. Thats about a litre of diesel.

Why do you want to take the risk of owning a dpf version? It's too much headache. The only reason I bought mine with the dpf is that the dealer did not mention it to me. So a lessons learnt that I did not do sufficient research.

Now you have all the info to make your mind.

[FROSTYBALLS]

The one thing that will help determine whether a Yaris has a DPF or not, will be the build date and not the registration date. A Toyota dealer should be able to tell you from the VIN what year a car was built and where it came in the production process. For info on the VIN see:

http://blog.toyota.co.uk/finding-your-toyota-vin-vehicle-identification-number#.VEggXCtZ2Zc

For example a vehicle first registered on 1st July 2010, may have actually been built eight months earlier, in 2009.