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The time has come to stand and be counted. Enough is enough!

I’m guessing that there are many people who are getting kinda fed up with the ridiculous amounts of gatso’s kicking about and laser vans etc. etc. etc who are operating under the veil of being for safety when actually they are there to generate revenue – pure and simple.

It’s seems that the humble motorist weather it be someone who has a performance car – or classic car, or just a bog standard car is being penalised due to the over zealous speed enforcement that occurs in this country.

We all enjoy driving and we are being taxed to pieces do to petrol tax, road tax and now the speeding tax. So I propose we protest about it. Cause a bit of a commotion. Get noticed. Prove a point. Kick Off!

Basically the argument is that the speed camera is now not being used as a safety, life saving device – but a revenue device for the government – instead of being used in areas where these installations (weather fixed of mobile) would reduce accidents – they are being more commonly used in areas where it’s dead easy to catch someone slightly straying over an unrealistically low speed limit . It’s not ok any more – driving used to be a pleasurable experience – now it’s ruined due to having to spend each and every moment checking you speedometer.

I’m proposing that on the 1st August we do something.

Namely a mass protest by narked motorists who are prepared to get on the road to make a stand AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

Starting at Carlisle in the early hours as many of us as possible will drive down through the country – on mass – without breaking a single speed limit – or any law. But our route (which will be decided nearer the time – for obvious reasons) will cause a great deal of congestion and disruption – but hopefully we will be backed by the majority of the motoring public, who too feel aggrieved by how the roads are now policed.

I know there are many arguments about road safety and correct driving – I’m not proposing we should protest about any reasonable law – but a law that is broken by so many, so often, is surly a law that should be changed.

If you know of other people in other car clubs, or know of other car club forums where it would be a good idea to post a link to our revolution get on there and do it.

Let me know where else this is being posted so I can get stuck in and get this co-ordinated.

NOW IS TIME FOR A CHANGE!

VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!

email me john@themusiccellar.fsnet.co.uk

and I'll count you in and put you on a list so that you get all the developments!

Thanks folks,

Euphonium_John.

just speading the info.

cheers

lee

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Just thought, possible TOC night out in Reading on the monday night :beer:  :D

Ya got my vote :lol: Im up for sticking it to the government :thumbsup:

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Maybe you should think twice about this.. imagine how you would feel if your kid was killed by a speeding motorist.. would you still want to protest?. Speed limits are there for a reason, not just to make money.

To me it can be as bad as drink driving, lots of drivers break that law too.

I don't mean to invalidate your point about there being too many, and that some could be there to make money for the government,(because there are places where this could be the case) but i do feel you should think again about this.. and if TOC gets assocaited with any such protest . i personally don't think it would look good on the club in general.

Just my opinion.

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Maybe you should think twice about this.. imagine how you would feel if your kid was killed by a speeding motorist.

Just my opinion.

What was that kid doing on the motorway anyway? :ffs:

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Maybe you should think twice about this.. imagine how you would feel if your kid was killed by a speeding motorist.

Just my opinion.

What was that kid doing on the motorway anyway? :ffs:

Not ALL speed camera's are on motorways!! :ffs: (A1??? )

The 1st post does NOT mention motorways.. speed cameras are also in built up areas.. so unless you only protest about certain camera's in certain places this needs to be thought out more.

BLOODUK. what if someone on here lives next to a motorway.. and a speeding motorist lost control and went through the fence into the garden and killed their kid???? you won't be there favourite person after your silly comment.

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Maybe you should think twice about this.. imagine how you would feel if your kid was killed by a speeding motorist.

Just my opinion.

What was that kid doing on the motorway anyway? :ffs:

Very few speed cameras are on motorways, the ones that are there serve the purpose to stop accidents like vehicle pile ups on busy sections of the motorways like certain sections of the M25. The M40 and M1 are pretty much clear for instance.

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Maybe you should think twice about this.. imagine how you would feel if your kid was killed by a speeding motorist.. would you still want to protest?. Speed limits are there for a reason, not just to make money.

To me it can be as bad as drink driving, lots of drivers break that law too.

I don't mean to invalidate your point about there being too many, and that some could be there to make money for the government,(because there are places where this could be the case) but i do feel you should think again about this.. and if TOC gets assocaited with any such protest . i personally don't think it would look good on the club in general.

Just my opinion.

I think your missing the point. This is not an argument to get speed cameras taken down so people can then speed, its a point of arguing that the majority of the time (at least I feel myself doing this) your looking at your speedo to make sure your not straying over the limit. Im not saying you should be speeding everywhere but when it comes down to a dual carriageway and your going at 45 instead of 40 i personally don't see that as as much of a threat to safety than having your eyes glued to your speedo to make sure your staying exactly on 40. Be realistic about it, im sure you can think of plenty of speed cameras which have no purpose except for the need to generate revenue!!

Yes I'm just as guilty of speeding than the majority of people, but I make a point of not speeding in residential areas. (was caught speeding on motorway).

- Stefan

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I am not against the protest, as i said in my post........

I don't mean to invalidate your point about there being too many, and that some could be there to make money for the government,(because there are places where this could be the case) but i do feel you should think again about this..

All i am saying is that more thought needs to be put into it, a drive from Carlise to wherever??.

Any protest should/must be aimed at specific locations where these camaras are obviously a money making scam, and not speed cameras in general. There are genuine reasons for cameras in locations where there is a higher risk of injury or death, and this must not be forgotten. So MY point is for you to think about it, then get it organised properly before you go out on some drive up some motorway somehere.

As for having to stare at your speedo to check your speed... experianced drivers can usually judge their speed without having to look.

On a personal note.. that A1 is :censor: rediculous in places, cameras every mile or so, and a 60mph limit. Ok, in some streatches cameras are required... but not every :censor: mile!!.

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I agree on the cause :thumbsup:

even though Cheshire police arent really that bad.

Yorkshire and Wales (places a vist reguarly) Are just stupid with the amount of scameras that are there.

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The protest is aimed at scamera's, which are revenue making camera's or camera van's that are placed in an area that have no safety thought at all. I.e. industrial estate on a outskirts of a town, 6.30 am sunday morning, van parked on the 60 to 30 line, now what is that got to do safety.

Also i fully agree with speed limits but in the appropriate area like 20 mph near school's, 30 mph in town's but at night say after 11pm to 6am is there any reason to keep it a 20 zone outside a school?

Also the speed limits are based on a 1950's car's capabilities so the motorway limit need's to be increased by 10mph and after 11pm to 6 am make it 90mph unless adverse weather dictake's otherwise.

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The protest is aimed at scamera's, which are revenue making camera's or camera van's that are placed in an area that have no safety thought at all. I.e. industrial estate on a outskirts of a town, 6.30 am sunday morning, van parked on the 60 to 30 line, now what is that got to do safety.

Also i fully agree with speed limits but in the appropriate area like 20 mph near school's, 30 mph in town's but at night say after 11pm to 6am is there any reason to keep it a 20 zone outside a school?

Also the speed limits are based on a 1950's car's capabilities so the motorway limit need's to be increased by 10mph and after 11pm to 6 am make it 90mph unless adverse weather dictake's otherwise.

I think it should be autobahn, then when its bad conditions etc, you MUST FOLLOW the electronic speed limits strictly....

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I like speed cameras - I wish we had more :P

The way I look at it is the gatso don't move! They're always in the same place so you know where to slow down. Before we had Gatso's I used to see a copper with a gun nearly every saturday morning on the way to my saturday job (in a random location). They then stuck Gatso's in (about 22 of them on the one route (includes ones facing the wrong way)) and I never saw a copper with a speed gun again. The gatsos never move so I could drive at a safe and sensible speed (maybe above the speed limit) then slow down at the fixed cameras

If we loose all the gatsos, then the money will be spent on putting police with speed guns out again and we will all be much worse off.

Plus my GPS system tells me where Gatsos are - but it can't tell me where coppers are!

Also the speed limits are based on a 1950's car's capabilities so the motorway limit need's to be increased by 10mph and after 11pm to 6 am make it 90mph unless adverse weather dictake's otherwise.

The cars are better but peoples reactions aren't! We have accidents every day on the motorway which wouldn't have happened if people were going 10 mph slower. Raise the speed limit - everyone goes faster = more accidents = longer journey time :blink: (I think)

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Hi everybody, new to the forum, have come accross from GT4OC.

There is a big debate on there about this, it obvioulsy needs to be well organised and we need to put accross the point, that we're not saying we want rid of all the speed cameras so we can speed.

Trying to say that most people are just fed up with those speed cameras that seem to be in places to catch people, purely to make revenue, as if they don't make enough money out of us from Road Tax, Petrol, etc, etc anyway.

We're also saying that things need to be changed around schools etc, enforcing slower speeds of maybe 20 around these kind of places, but for the safety of other people not money. The area I live in, there are loads of cameras, but there aren't any around the schools, primary or secondary, where's the sense in that 'Safety' cameras.

Basically, speed cameras should be for safety, they shouldn't be used as a way for the government to make more money out of us motorists!

I'll shut up now. :!Removed!:

Beer afterwards sounds good though. :thumbsup:

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BLOODUK. what if someone on here lives next to a motorway.. and a speeding motorist lost control and went through the fence into the garden and killed their kid????  you won't be there favourite person after your silly comment.

:lol::lol::lol:

Sorry not trying to be funny, but you really believe people build motorways alongside peoples gardens?

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Sorry not trying to be funny, but you really believe people build motorways alongside peoples gardens?

They certainly have and do... Just drive along the M1 in the midlands... and it's not just M-ways: urban motorways? urban = town/built up area. Dual carriageways? By-passes? Ring roads? Inner ring roads?

Many of these are 'high speed' roads i.e. 60/70 mph 'limit'. Turn the question on it's head: do you really believe people build houses right up to motorways and dual carriageways? Bet your a$$ they do!

Yeah, I hate speed cameras, especially when i see them on a long straight stretch of country road (try driving in Lincolnshire... :censor: ) however, I also realise that in some places they are there for a reason, whether I like it or not.

TBH what I hate more is the tosspot who jams their brakes on when they spot a camera, crawl past it @ 22mph (30 limit moron!!!) then floor it when they've cleared the road markings... :ffs:

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TBH what I hate more is the tosspot who jams their brakes on when they spot a camera, crawl past it @ 22mph (30 limit moron!!!) then floor it when they've cleared the road markings...   :ffs:

ahhh thats me, i do that in protest to them not catching dangerous uninsured un liecensed drivers but me the guy with insureance MOT an TAX wud get penalised for speeding by 1 or 2 mph, i also hold my hand on the horn an turn my hazards on as i pass them in protest too, they really irratate me,

Im definatley in on this :thumbsup:

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I got nothing against the big road side fixed cameras, its the snotty little scrotes in the vans and in the cop cars with the porta-zappers :censor:

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Sorry but I can't help thinking that a convoy of modified/performance/sports cars ( I know not all of them will be) complaining about speed cameras and limits etc will just prove the governments point on the need for them and will certainly not help the cause.

my 2p

I agree that the average law abiding citizen is being penalised unneccassarily by the over use of these cameras but any protest has to be well thought out.

Initially it should be some sort of petition or such like and if there is a need for a convoy of protest then there should certainly be no modified cars in sight.

It would be more effective if it was a group of senior citizens in their Micras' etc

Think about it!

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