Diesel Going Down

[estimaman]

I CANT BELIVE THAT DIESEL IS 98.9P AT OUR LOCAL Shell GREAT NEWS KEEP GOING DOWN AND UNLEADED 86.9P

[Phoenix999]

It is still a rip-off price because, as far as I am aware, diesel is a by product from the petrol manufacture process :censor:

[Boro Sera]

It is still a rip-off price because, as far as I am aware, diesel is a by product from the petrol manufacture process :censor:

Marmite is a by product of the brewing industry - but pint for pint costs a heck of a lot more !

There is no justice - just us !

[Bizarra]

It is still a rip-off price because, as far as I am aware, diesel is a by product from the petrol manufacture process :censor:

Marmite is a by product of the brewing industry - but pint for pint costs a heck of a lot more !

There is no justice - just us !

Ah but............ Drinking a properly drawn pint of Guinness is a pleasure

Eating Marmite (for me ) is a punishment.

Used to get it in my sambos for school. Eat it or starve. It never had a chance :(

[RiverAuris]

Well to put it into perspective have you tried diesel on ur sandwiches? UGH. :D :D

[Karma Supra]

Yup BP ultimate Petrol now under a pound a Litre.. I filled up for under 60!!

[chatman]

It is still a rip-off price because, as far as I am aware, diesel is a by product from the petrol manufacture process :censor:

Remember when Diesel was cheaper than Petrol :o then everybody started to buy Diesel cars and they thought ;) ;) we can make some money here... so now it's about 10p to 12p dearer than petrol still....

Its just nudged below £1.00p near me....well 99.9p :angry:

[Fujisan]

It is still a rip-off price because, as far as I am aware, diesel is a by product from the petrol manufacture process :censor:

Diesel is certainly not a by-product or a converted waste product or any other such. Diesel is a fractional cut from the primary distillation of crude oil.

"The crude oil fractionator does not produce products having a single boiling point, rather, it produces fractions having boiling ranges. For example, the crude oil fractionator produces an overhead fraction called "naphtha" which becomes a gasoline component after it is further processed through a catalytic hydrodesulfurizer to remove sulfur and a catalytic reformer to reform its hydrocarbon molecules into more complex molecules with a higher octane rating value.

The naphtha cut, as that fraction is called, contains many different hydrocarbon compounds. Therefore it has an initial boiling point of about 35 °C and a final boiling point of about 200 °C. Each cut produced in the fractionating columns has a different boiling range. At some distance below the overhead, the next cut is withdrawn from the side of the column and it is usually the jet fuel cut, also known as a kerosene cut. The boiling range of that cut is from an initial boiling point of about 150 °C to a final boiling point of about 270 °C, and it also contains many different hydrocarbons. The next cut further down the tower is the diesel oil cut with a boiling range from about 180 °C to about 315 °C. The boiling ranges between any cut and the next cut overlap because the distillation separations are not perfectly sharp. After these come the heavy fuel oil cuts and finally the bottoms product, with very wide boiling ranges. All these cuts are processed further in subsequent refining processes."

Remember when Diesel was cheaper than Petrol :o then everybody started to buy Diesel cars and they thought ;) ;) we can make some money here... so now it's about 10p to 12p dearer than petrol still....

Most UK and European refineries where built over 30 or more years ago, when the demand was for Gasoline and the refineries where equipped to produce max Gasoline, with specific plant built just for converting other distillation products into Gasoline components.

Now the balance has shifted and refineries build to make Gasoline are desperately trying to maximise their Diesel output with the kit they have or are building new plant or expanding present capacity to increase Diesel production.

Added to this, many many millions has been invested in new plant to produce the ultra-low sulphur diesel that has been asked for from the European Governments.

So at present the price is caught in a supply and demand loop. There is too much capacity to produce gasoline so the price is low (compared to Diesel) and not enough capacity (at present) to meet demand for Diesel, so the price is high (compared to Gasoline).

[Bizarra]

Well to put it into perspective have you tried diesel on ur sandwiches? UGH. :D :D

:lol2:

[Phoenix999]

Fujisan.... I wish I knew what the hell you were talking about

[GT4 BOOSTER]

It is still a rip-off price because, as far as I am aware, diesel is a by product from the petrol manufacture process :censor:

Diesel is certainly not a by-product or a converted waste product or any other such. Diesel is a fractional cut from the primary distillation of crude oil.

"The crude oil fractionator does not produce products having a single boiling point, rather, it produces fractions having boiling ranges. For example, the crude oil fractionator produces an overhead fraction called "naphtha" which becomes a gasoline component after it is further processed through a catalytic hydrodesulfurizer to remove sulfur and a catalytic reformer to reform its hydrocarbon molecules into more complex molecules with a higher octane rating value.

The naphtha cut, as that fraction is called, contains many different hydrocarbon compounds. Therefore it has an initial boiling point of about 35 °C and a final boiling point of about 200 °C. Each cut produced in the fractionating columns has a different boiling range. At some distance below the overhead, the next cut is withdrawn from the side of the column and it is usually the jet fuel cut, also known as a kerosene cut. The boiling range of that cut is from an initial boiling point of about 150 °C to a final boiling point of about 270 °C, and it also contains many different hydrocarbons. The next cut further down the tower is the diesel oil cut with a boiling range from about 180 °C to about 315 °C. The boiling ranges between any cut and the next cut overlap because the distillation separations are not perfectly sharp. After these come the heavy fuel oil cuts and finally the bottoms product, with very wide boiling ranges. All these cuts are processed further in subsequent refining processes."

Remember when Diesel was cheaper than Petrol :o then everybody started to buy Diesel cars and they thought ;) ;) we can make some money here... so now it's about 10p to 12p dearer than petrol still....

Most UK and European refineries where built over 30 or more years ago, when the demand was for Gasoline and the refineries where equipped to produce max Gasoline, with specific plant built just for converting other distillation products into Gasoline components.

Now the balance has shifted and refineries build to make Gasoline are desperately trying to maximise their Diesel output with the kit they have or are building new plant or expanding present capacity to increase Diesel production.

Added to this, many many millions has been invested in new plant to produce the ultra-low sulphur diesel that has been asked for from the European Governments.

So at present the price is caught in a supply and demand loop. There is too much capacity to produce gasoline so the price is low (compared to Diesel) and not enough capacity (at present) to meet demand for Diesel, so the price is high (compared to Gasoline).

good cut n paste there. :D

[Boro Sera]

Well to put it into perspective have you tried diesel on ur sandwiches? UGH. :D :D

you had to mention my bread allergy ! :(

Nurse...............................................!

[Fujisan]

good cut n paste there. :D

I have always used quotation marks to clearly indicate that material is 'cut' from other reference sources.

Anything not in quotation marks is purely and wholly original and based on my personal thoughts on a subject.

Whether you agree with it not is another matter

[uk_vette]

This lowering of oil prices is really just a blip.

Please don't expect it to remain low.

The true value of the oil is way above the market price, and this will change very quick.

I predict diesel will very quickly rise to over £1.20 a liter again,

It is as simple as the oil producers cutting back on output.

Why should they pump oil for $39 a barrel? they are almost giving it away.

When do Arabs, or any one else simply sell some thing for less than the true value.

They will simply screw the valves shut, create a market deficiency, and oil will rise again.

Then they will modulate, once again, the quantity of oil in the market.

Thus, selling their limited reserves at $100 a barrel instead of $39 a barrel.

It is not like the oil producers in this world are short of a few bob, they can and will requlate supply, pumping capacity at will.

[balli hi]

Opec have already met and disscussed plans to reduce output in order to shore up the falling price of a barrel of oil, but i can't agree that they are selling it for less than its worth.

The last i heard was that the price of a barrel had fallen to approx $35 a barrel, so the price we are paying at the pumps is still way to high compared to the prices we were paying when the cost of a barrel was previously at that price.

Greedy retailers are quick to put the price up when the price of a barrel go's up, but when it drops we don't see a reduction for weeks , they use the excuse that they buy their reserves weeks / months in advance, " so it will take some time to filter through " but as said , the price at the pump go's up straight away when the price of oil go's up !