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Hello All

Thanks to man-bing, I successfully got a line converter fitted into my standard headunit a few months ago.

I am now attempting to change all my Speakers and amplifiing them.

My question is, what size are the front door Speakers? what size can I replace them without any modifications? and which Speakers would yu reccomend?

Same question for the rear/back seat ones?

Another question I have is if I amp them, shall I only do the rear ones or shall I amp the door ones aswell?

Thanks

H :thumbsup:

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I've only had the front Speakers changed, the rears are still the OEM units.

I've purposely not changed the rears, as for my setup i wanted this, but they are still connected to the H/U but more for a rear-fill effect than being main Speakers.

You will need to do a little bit of mods for them to fit, but if your handy with a jigsaw and don't mind getting a little messy then do it yourself.

You can get 6.5" Speakers to fit but you have to remember the mounting depth, but i've got 5.25" Speakers in mine (size isn't everything :lol: )

Get some MDF (Medium Density Fibreboard) and cut out a speaker ring, so you can mount the speaker onto it and give you the clearence at the back of the speaker. It's worth the effort too, to install some sound matting material, it not only reduces vibrations from speaker resonance but actually increases the overall sound level within the car, i'm using Dynamat but other brands are available.

Brand wise, really depends on your budget and if your going to change them again at a later time.

I'm not saying cheap is cheerful, and expensive is over-priced, it comes to sound quailty your looking for. Better if you can listen to Speakers thats already been installed within a car, than in somewhere like Halfords, will give you a better chance of what it might sound like.

Amp's goes the same as Speakers, but as this will be more of a expensive buy than your Speakers, really depends on if your looking for a single amp or multiple amps setups.

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I've only had the front speakers changed, the rears are still the OEM units.

I've purposely not changed the rears, as for my setup i wanted this, but they are still connected to the H/U but more for a rear-fill effect than being main speakers.

You will need to do a little bit of mods for them to fit, but if your handy with a jigsaw and don't mind getting a little messy then do it yourself.

You can get 6.5" speakers to fit but you have to remember the mounting depth, but i've got 5.25" speakers in mine (size isn't everything :lol: )

Get some MDF (Medium Density Fibreboard) and cut out a speaker ring, so you can mount the speaker onto it and give you the clearence at the back of the speaker. It's worth the effort too, to install some sound matting material, it not only reduces vibrations from speaker resonance but actually increases the overall sound level within the car, i'm using Dynamat but other brands are available.

Brand wise, really depends on your budget and if your going to change them again at a later time.

I'm not saying cheap is cheerful, and expensive is over-priced, it comes to sound quailty your looking for. Better if you can listen to speakers thats already been installed within a car, than in somewhere like Halfords, will give you a better chance of what it might sound like.

Amp's goes the same as speakers, but as this will be more of a expensive buy than your speakers, really depends on if your looking for a single amp or multiple amps setups.

Thanks for that, If I kept the 5.25", do they go straight in without any modifications? Is it really worth getting 6.5"?

H :thumbsup:

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A good solid set of 6.5" front components is all you need, as has been stated either keep OEM Speakers or replace with slightly upgraded ones for rear fill effect running off head unit but thats all, the bulk of the money should be spent on front Speakers, sound proofing and an amplifier. JL amplifiers and Speakers are very good however depending on your budget you may want to go with a different brand. Personally I use dynamat xtreme in all my audio installations, I just find it easy to work with and it gives very good results.

What is your budget for Speakers/proofing/amplifer? Also do you plan to, or currently have a subwoofer installed?

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Any Idea how to take out the tweeters anybody?

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I do have pics of how to take the door panel off in my signature, but i'll post it here anyway with a quick guide of what your looking for.

Here's the door panel on the passenger side of my 5dr car, ensure the window is fully down, will find out later why.

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Just behind the door lever is a little screw cover, remove it.

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The rear part of the arm rest just pulls off, might need a little tug.

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Remove the window switch and unplug, undo the screws thats now been revealled.

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The door trim is held in the panel poppets, which just pull out, start at the bottom by speaker and pull all the bottom poppets out then lift upwards, with the window down will just come away easily.

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Back of the door trim, incase you want to see it

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If the tweeter cover hasn't come off by itself by now, its just held in with a single poppet, just pull away

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It's held in but 2x10mm bolts

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Here's a back view of my door speaker mounted on a speaker ring with Dynamat

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Ok, personally, wouldn't be my choice for several reasons.

Your choice in rear Speakers is more expensive than your front Speakers, should be the other way round.

You've picked a two way speaker for the front speaker but should of picked a mid-range speaker instead, or even get components and the tweeter will be matched with the Speakers.

Try and get all the Speakers in the same sort of brand, will make it sound more balanced.

I spent £325 on my front components, and i think they sound awesome but left the originals in the rear.

You don't really need to change the rears, or do as i do, just fade them out a little to the fronts so not to overpower them, and you be surprised how they will sound.

Think of sitting in a cinema facing the screen, where does the sound come from, coming towards you, that's how you should think of in your car as well.

As i know a little of your budget range now, here's a few i've found for you, hope you like.

Front Speakers

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Rear Speakers

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With the amp side of it, try and think of what you might want to do with your system at a later date.

Either get multiple quality little amps, or get a reasonable large-ish amp.

I didn't ask, but you keeping the OEM H/U or changing it for something else?

Bing

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Ok, personally, wouldn't be my choice for several reasons.

Your choice in rear speakers is more expensive than your front speakers, should be the other way round.

You've picked a two way speaker for the front speaker but should of picked a mid-range speaker instead, or even get components and the tweeter will be matched with the speakers.

Try and get all the speakers in the same sort of brand, will make it sound more balanced.

I spent £325 on my front components, and i think they sound awesome but left the originals in the rear.

You don't really need to change the rears, or do as i do, just fade them out a little to the fronts so not to overpower them, and you be surprised how they will sound.

Think of sitting in a cinema facing the screen, where does the sound come from, coming towards you, that's how you should think of in your car as well.

As i know a little of your budget range now, here's a few i've found for you, hope you like.

Front speakers

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Rear Speakers

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With the amp side of it, try and think of what you might want to do with your system at a later date.

Either get multiple quality little amps, or get a reasonable large-ish amp.

I didn't ask, but you keeping the OEM H/U or changing it for something else?

Bing

:thumbsup:

Hi bing im glad you disapprove of my choice, I tend to have crap choices lol

I have been choosing ones with high rms. Does that give it base? Im after good solid base combined with clear sound. I dont plan to install a sub and I wont change the headunit from the OEM unless I have to.

I have a budget of £200 for the rears, front and tweeters or comps and £100 on a 4 channel amp. What do you reccommend in the price bracket as I have no clue about what to look for?

I went Halfords and the guy played Alpine Speakers 5.25" 2 way co-axial, 35 rms, 200 watts max, 70-20000hz freq, custom fit. And I thought they sounded good, if this helps.

H :thumbsup:

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With your budget inhand, i know what sort of price range your looking for now.

With your £300 budget, i wouldn't spend all of it at once, given that you want to keep the OEM H/U, it doesn't have any pre-outs of any such, so you will need to change this to phono outputs.

Don't forget, you need cabling as well, if you want to install an amp too.

Most people buy all the main hardware, but forget the simple thing as power cable, signal cable, speaker cable and even crimps too.

I'm thinking, that if you install a quality set of front components, see how they sound before you change the rears.

It's good that you've had a chance to listen to a few Speakers, be it in a shop (with Halford monkey boys, not a big fan of them, always seem to talk down to you and sell what they want to you :lol: ) but least you know what your looking for. Remember, they will sound different in your car, echo within the shop, and what most people tend to forget, is that Speakers need time to wear in, my sub took something silly like 30-40hrs wearing in time!!

I'm a fan of Infinity Speakers, and heard good reviews about Focal and Rainbow Speakers.

Most mainstream brands are just as good as well like Alpine, Pioneer, FLI, etc its just working out how much you want to spend on them.

My Diamond Audio Speakers would fit your listening ears i think, but they come at a price.

To gain extra bass, you will need a separate sub box in order to acheieve this.

Most Speakers just don't do what a 10" sub can do.

Yes, you could go down the line of being a boy racer style, and having some 6x9speakers on the parcel shelf, just making holes in your parcel shelf not only wrecks it but replacing it can just be as much. You could make your own stealth shelf but this would be take just as much time and cost too.

Am i helping so far.....

Bing

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PS. incase you didn't know, the pics of the Speakers have links to the shop too ;)

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As has been stated already you need to consider wiring, connectors etc etc for installing amplifiers. Since after market Speakers are more specialised in the frequency range they play well you will almost definately feel a loss of bass but a lift in the clarity/quality of the music you hear, it will sound more musical.

At some point I'm pretty sure you'll want to replace the lost bass by addition of a small subwoofer (it doesn't have to be the biggest baddest one out there).

As with your speaker choices you've been told they're bad. Front Speakers I'd change to these and honestly leave the rear ones standard. You'll get much better results combining the front/rear speaker budgets in order to get a better set of quality components up front. When at a concert sound comes from in front of you, much like the cinema analogy. Rear Speakers just add some depth to the sound which is a reproduction of sound bouncing off walls at a concert and thus creating depth. Honestly mate trust us both you don't need to waste money on rear Speakers, originals are fine 100%. Go for this amplifer. Use the front 2 channels to run your components and then personally I'd bridge the rear channels to run a small 10" subwoofer in the boot in a sealed box for nice controlled sound. This JL Audio subwoofer would be idea for your requirements.

The whole audio system would sound much much better by using this headunit if you can stretch to it.

So far:

£135 - headunit

£120 - Front Speakers

£54 - Subwoofer

£25 - Subwoofer box

£81 - Amplifier

£30 - Amplifier wiring kit

Total - £445 or £310 without the Alpine head unit but personally I've spec'd up a good solid system on a tight budget which will give a good clean sound without breaking the bank. One more thing - I've been into car audio a long time and one thing I would definately say is rather than rushing choices, take your time, read, research, listen and then make the choice and as always if waiting another 2/3 months means you've got a budget enough to go for the £445 option then I would say do this without shadow of doubt.

Personally what I'd do in your shoes would be get the headunit, amp, front Speakers in now and then later on after some time add the subwoofer and because everything will already be in it'll be an easy task to box up a subwoofer and get it fitted.

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Afternoon,

I just "improved" my audio system not too long ago (approx 5 weeks ago now) and although my system isn't the best by any means, in fact it's far from, it serves my needs.

i kept the original H/U.

I replaced the front Speakers with these. I must say that for really cheap Speakers, they are surprisingly good, all the high, mid and low frequency noises are clear. They are shallow too so if you cut the original ones out and simply screw these ones onto the existing cones, bodge job i know, they should fit snug with no rattle at all. Then just sound proof the door, if you want. Dynamat is really good. I haven't sound proofed my doors and to be honest , i personally don't think i need to.

I left the rear Speakers as they are, original, being powered by the H/U.

I installed a Converter behind the H/U to plug rca's into it so i can plug a JBL 600W 4 channel amp in the boot with an 8'' Balistic shallow Subwoofer, bought it for £40 from a friend. The Sub has the benefit of being shallow so it neatly fits into a corner of the boot, without taking up much space, but it is quite wide as a result. I can't find them anywhere anymore. The only problem i now have is how to secure it so it doesn't slide about or topple over etc. any ideas on fixing it somehow?

I personally think the amp is overkill for the stuff it's powering (Front Speakers and Subwoofer), but i found it pretty cheap at £50 which wasn't that bad and future proof i guess.

I also bought a 1200W Wiring kit which cost me about £20-£25.

So my costs were:

Front Speakers - £40

Amplifier - £50

Subwoofer - £40

H/U Converter - £15

Wiring Kit - £25

All Fitting - £50

TOTAL = £215/£220

for that money, i maybe could have bought slightly better equipment and found a cheaper fitter, but i'm quite happy with it "so far".

I also set the amp to feed High Pass audio to the front Speakers and Low Pass audio to the back Speakers and sub, so i get most of the treble coming from the front and the bass coming from the back. I think it sounds quite nice like that.

p.s. Man-Bing and CorollaD4D are really good with this stuff so you should probably listen to them for much better advice :D

One more thing is, if i change the H/U i will lose the trip function on the car. Is there any way i can change the H/U and keep the trip?

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I personally think the amp is overkill for the stuff it's powering (Front Speakers and Subwoofer), but i found it pretty cheap at £50 which wasn't that bad.

If you think your amp is an overkill, look at my amp, 5channel amp powering a set of tweeters, mid-range Speakers and a sub, with silly amounts of power for each of them, and had a price tag to match it :lol:

If only my setup was that cheap, don't think any of my main components were less than your total budget :lol:

Sounds like you got a nice setup there anyway :thumbsup:

Bing

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I personally think the amp is overkill for the stuff it's powering (Front Speakers and Subwoofer), but i found it pretty cheap at £50 which wasn't that bad.

If you think your amp is an overkill, look at my amp, 5channel amp powering a set of tweeters, mid-range Speakers and a sub, with silly amounts of power for each of them, and had a price tag to match it :lol:

If only my setup was that cheap, don't think any of my main components were less than your total budget :lol:

Sounds like you got a nice setup there anyway :thumbsup:

Bing

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Wow, and i thought i was killing it with the power. I have just realised a problem with my Speakers though. Well it is actually the front left tweeter in that it is dead. Not even a crackle is coming from it. the right side one works but the left one doesn't

Do you know where i have to start from? i've checked the amp wiring and that seems ok.

thanks.

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I have just realised a problem with my speakers though. Well it is actually the front left tweeter in that it is dead. Not even a crackle is coming from it. the right side one works but the left one doesn't

Do you know where i have to start from? i've checked the amp wiring and that seems ok.

You need to get your hands on a multimeter.

Test the outputs on the amp are all ok.

Test the tweeter on a Ohms test, make sure you not blown it.

Test the cabling on a continuity to make sure that there are no breaks within the cabling.

Anyone of these test will show you, where it's gone wrong, be it output problem on the amp, blown speaker or broken cabling, replace it accordlingly.

If they all check out to be ok, could be something silly like a lose connection, or even shorting on something.

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I may be incorrect but to the best of my knowledge there is no way to preserve the trip computer after HU has been changed. Personally it doesn't bother me but I understand everyone has their own preference.

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Hi, rather than opening an entire new thread regarding Speakers I thought I would add to this rather excellent one.

From reading all the posts out there it appears that the stock Speakers are 5.25" front and rear but I can't find a definitive answer on whether or not you have to buy / make a new speaker ring to fit them (For the fronts and rears?). For my old celica I had to use an adapter upfront but screwed them directly in at the back, but it wasn't a 5 door.

I'm planning on fitting either some Alpine or JBL Speakers and would rather not have the hassle of these unless needed.

Thanks for the advice

PW

Thanks

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i think our opinions on this will be divided but i would always go through some hassle in the pursuit of better sound. 6.5" Speakers fit no problem up front, you can buy plastic baffles and wrap them in dynamat as i have done or you can make some mdf ones yourself or have them made. for the midbass that i like to have up front 5.25 just doesn't cut the mustard i'm afraid hence why i always run 6.5 up front. my rear fill is also 6.5 but those are faded out most of the time.

can i also recommend you listen to any/all equipment in a CAR before you buy it. those test boards you see in Halfords are totally unrealistic, the powering, mounting, height of the speaker etc etc.

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ok ok ok, 6.5 up front with the adapters and the dynamat :). For the back I think I'll stick with 5.25 - will i need to make new rings (can't seem to find any to buy) or will aftermarkets fit directly??

Finding a car these days with after market Speakers (at least in my circles of acquatinces) is hard but I had JBL's in my last car and was happy with them, so i know they aren't bad but if I go Alpine I would take a leap of faith on brand strength. It will be an alpine HU so would hope they work nicely together.

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Yes stick with 5.25" in the rear (even though i've got 6.5" there too). aftermarket rings will be available i would assume, my 6.5" are mounted right to the door without any rings in order to fit the larger size so i can't help there sorry.

to be honest if you're happy with the sound the JBL produced then stick with them - the sound should sound good to you, it doesn't matter what me or your mates think. it's your car and you will be listening to the stereo in there it should sound good to you. i have an alpine headunit i swear by them for single din units. i would say however alpine headunits are somewhat artificially bright on the tweeters, pioneer units have a much more laid back natural sound if that's what you're after.

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