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Auris Sport Touring, Hybrid Or Diesel?

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Hi there,

I am a new member, I am considering buying an Auris Sport Touring, but still cannot really decided whether to buy the HSD or the 1.4 Manual Diesel engine. This is for my wife, she commutes 62 miles a day from Watford to Huntingdon which consist of approximately 5 miles city/B road driving, 30 miles motorway (M1), 27 miles of A road (A421 and A1).

I have searched the forum and read most of the discussions about hybrid engine fuel economics on motorway which has given me some insight about what to expect from the HSD engine ( I would guess around 50-55 mpg in real world with the trip profile?), but I have conflicting message on the diesel engine fuel economy and performance from various car review website, the official data is 67 which I think is quite low for a diesel (skoda octavia is 74 for comparison)

Really appreciate if someone can give me suggestion what would be the best engine for my wife's commute profile, manual/auto is not an important consideration for us. Safety and Fuel economy is the main priority.

Another car that we are considering is Skoda Octavia 1.6 Estate, which is really fuel efficient but we are not too keen on the design.

Thanks,

Renzo

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I am no expert on Auris Sport Touring but as a Prius Hybrid owner I would say the Hybrid would be better for your wife's commute. The fuel consumption on my Prius at the moment is 60 MPG in the Summer it is better. The hybrid is easy to drive. I am not a fan of diesel engines but there may be other members who would recommmend a diesel!!

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Hi Renzo

Welcome. I had the same dilemma as you, almost exactly the same. I took the Auris Sports Touring out for a test drive and absolutely loved it. Had a test drive in a diesel Skoda Octavia booked but when I got their they did not have one their for me to drive, I was not happy. The upshot is I bought the Auris. Have not regretted it one bit. I am getting about 55 mpg doing 70 miles commute a day motorway and A roads. The mpg is worked out by Using Fuely. It is so relaxing and easy to drive. Good fuel economy is good, motorway or town. A diesel won't do that. Don't forget that you are paying petrol prices not diesel.

I have had the car nearly 3 months now and still can't wait to to drive it. Never had an automatic before will never go back to a manual again.

Mick

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The Real MPG pages from the Honest John website will provide some comparison on the Auris between the diesel and hybrid - http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/toyota/auris-2013

There is not enough feedback from owners yet for the Touring Sports - http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/toyota/auris-touring-sport-2013

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Don't forget that the manufacturers official figures are not real world figures they are purely for a comparison purposes. I would say that real world driving will be 10 to 20% less. as stated by Frostyballs look at the Honestjohn website for real world comparisons.

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Can you try both of them? A few people have said the HSD one felt a bit underpowered compared to estate cars they'd owned before but I don't think we've had anyone here who owns the diesel one to give a comparison.

I think the performance and mpg will be similar for either given your use case.

TBH, I think both of them should have been specced with bigger/more powerful engines; The 1.4 D4D in the diesel is more or less the same one used in my Yaris and the HSD is the same one used in a normal Auris HSD.

These seem quite underpowered for hauling stuff about as you would in an estate car, and if this isn't something the car would be used for then why not get something better like a normal Auris or maybe even a Yaris?

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Can you try both of them? A few people have said the HSD one felt a bit underpowered compared to estate cars they'd owned before but I don't think we've had anyone here who owns the diesel one to give a comparison.

I think the performance and mpg will be similar for either given your use case.

TBH, I think both of them should have been specced with bigger/more powerful engines; The 1.4 D4D in the diesel is more or less the same one used in my Yaris and the HSD is the same one used in a normal Auris HSD.

These seem quite underpowered for hauling stuff about as you would in an estate car, and if this isn't something the car would be used for then why not get something better like a normal Auris or maybe even a Yaris?

Thanks for your input, I've spoken to my local dealership this morning and told them I wanted to have test drive in both, unfortunately the don't have demonstrator until sometime in January. As to why we would like an estate, it's just we have two children and would like to use the car for occasional holiday/long trip, but don't have any requirement to haul trailer or bring heavy load.

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Hi Renzo

Welcome. I had the same dilemma as you, almost exactly the same. I took the Auris Sports Touring out for a test drive and absolutely loved it. Had a test drive in a diesel Skoda Octavia booked but when I got their they did not have one their for me to drive, I was not happy. The upshot is I bought the Auris. Have not regretted it one bit. I am getting about 55 mpg doing 70 miles commute a day motorway and A roads. The mpg is worked out by Using Fuely. It is so relaxing and easy to drive. Good fuel economy is good, motorway or town. A diesel won't do that. Don't forget that you are paying petrol prices not diesel.

I have had the car nearly 3 months now and still can't wait to to drive it. Never had an automatic before will never go back to a manual again.

Mick

Hi Mick,

thanks for sharing, sounds like you are getting good MPG on from your Auris TS, that's remove my doubt. However it seems Skoda Octavia still superior in term of Safety with the Post Collision Braking system and Fatigue alert, Adaptive Cruise Control and Front Assist. It seems only Prius has got options to get these safety feature, but not available to Auris, probably to differentiate the product and keeping Prius as the higher end model.

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Ah, suspect would be okay with either then :)

Probably boil down to a matter of taste; If you've not used to an auto the diesel will feel more familiar, otherwise the HSD is the best autobox you can buy (So smooth!).

I suspect the diesel will be quieter under load and at motorway speeds as it'll run at lower RPM (May be wrong there as a few HSD owners here claim they can drive at motorway speeds on the Battery alone!), but in town the HSD will be much quieter.

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thanks for sharing, sounds like you are getting good MPG on from your Auris TS, that's remove my doubt. However it seems Skoda Octavia still superior in term of Safety with the Post Collision Braking system and Fatigue alert, Adaptive Cruise Control and Front Assist. It seems only Prius has got options to get these safety feature, but not available to Auris, probably to differentiate the product and keeping Prius as the higher end model.

According to the Skoda UK website, only the post collision braking system is available as standard across the Octavia range. for example driver activity assistant (fatigue detection) is available on the SE upwards.

The VAG warranty is also weaker - 3 years /60,000 miles, with more limitations for wear and tear items:-

Items where the lifetime of the component is or can be influenced by driving style and external factors will only be considered under the terms of the warranty for a period of six months or 6,500 miles (whichever is soonest). Beyond that limit, the defects must be classified as wear and tear and will not be covered by the ŠKODA warranty.
Components subject to wear and tear are as follows:
> Brake linings and disc pads
> Clutch release bearings
> Clutch pressure plates and centre plates
> Tyres
> Wiper Blades (wiper rubbers have no warranty
owing to their conditions of use)
> Seat and backrest covers
> Floor coverings
> Spark plugs
> Batteries for key fobs and alarms
> Light bulbs
> Shock absorbers

Whilst the obvious items are counted as wear and tear (brake linings, clutch, etc), floor coverings, seat and backrest covers and shock absorbers are also counted as wear and tear, and are thus only covered for six months/6,500 miles.

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I am not a fan of modern diesels. Hideously expensive to repair when they go wrong and lots to go wrong. Having said that Toyota produce a very reliable diesel engine mine has 80k plus on it with not one single issue.

We all know about the problem they had with the 2.2 but generally I think they are a pretty good unit.

However if I had the money and inclination to buy a new car I would without doubt go for the HSD.

After owning a prius for a year I can say the car virtually drives itself.

The HSD has also proved itself to be a very reliable car.

Whichever you choose the 5 year warranty should give you peace of mind.

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Well the 1.4 D4D engines long proven to be rock solid and have shown themselves to be at least as reliable as the HSD. I don't think they've had any major issues?

Most of the issues with the D4Ds in general that we get here are down to them being driven around at low speeds all the time, which means the DPFs can't regenerate but that is a non-issue in the OP's use case, and the 1.4 seems more resistant to this, esp. when it's used in larger cars.

One big pro with the diesel is that anyone can service it, whereas with the HSD you're pretty much stuck with Toyota. This probably won't be an issue initially as most people service their cars with Toyota for at least the first 3 years, if not the full warranty duration, as it is a lot less hassle if a warranty issue comes up.

Cost-wise, both are on par too - Servicing costs aren't that much different from what I've seen. Both are highly reliable so not much to go wrong, but both are highly expensive to repair if any major problems develop, although with the diesel you can try specialists but with the HSD, it's Toyota or nothing.

@Frosty: Good info! What's the equiv. list for Toyota stuff?

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What's the list for Toyota stuff?

See here: http://www.toyota.co.uk/insurance-and-warranty/toyota-warranty

As a Toyota warranty administrator my view in relation to the VAG list:

Items where the lifetime of the component is or can be influenced by driving style and external factors will only be considered under the terms of the warranty for a period of six months or 6,500 miles (whichever is soonest). Beyond that limit, the defects must be classified as wear and tear and will not be covered by the ŠKODA warranty. A very harsh term which absolves an awful lot

Components subject to wear and tear are as follows:

> Brake linings and disc pads Regardless of age/mileage if a defect exists it is covered

> Clutch release bearings Regardless of age/mileage if a defect exists it is covered

> Clutch pressure plates and centre plates Regardless of age/mileage if a defect exists it is covered

> Tyres Tyres are not warranted by Toyota the tyre manufacturer is responsible

> Wiper blades (wiper rubbers have no warranty

owing to their conditions of use) if a defect exists up to 12months

> Seat and backrest covers Toyota limit seat coverings to 3years/60k

> Floor coverings Toyota limit to 3years/60k

> Spark plugs Regardless of age/mileage if a defect exists it is covered up to scheduled replacement

> Batteries for key fobs and alarms Same applies

> Light bulbs up to 12months, HID/LED upto warranty limit

> Shock absorbers Regardless of age/mileage if a defect exists it is covered

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