Sr180 Vs ?

[swanseaguy]

Hi guys,

I'm just wondering how other members found their sr180's against other high performance diesel or petrol cars ?

I know it's being boy racer of me, but sometimes it's hard not to put pedal to the metal?

I love the look on some people's face that tell you they're thinking "wait!!!! that's an auris what!!".

[Aidsy1]

I have the 2.0 and I find it hard not to do the same. I floor it everywhere, more than once someone has underestimated that hatchback.

And I love that through it all, i still get 43+ mpg

[FROSTYBALLS]

Just as a word of caution, have a look at the following topic (which still stands): http://www.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/topic/124782-final-warning/

[smudge-1991]

I found the 2.2 would pretty much out run most 2.0 N/A petrol or 1.8 turbos and smaller but the economy was my bug bear ... But I bought the 2.0 as well for my own use as the 2.2 was the wife's and with some good tyres a good quality chip and some other goodies I found I could keep pace with the 2.2 and out eco it as such I know a lot of it is down to the driver really but my cousin has a type r and he thought it was great till I out ran him but that was quite close with the type r being one of the faster hot hatches about I think due to a low weight

[Aidsy1]

I wasn't saying I speed, far from it, i only floor it to the speed limit (police are everywhere in coventry).

Yeah, i love my 2.0 great fun to play around in :D

[smudge-1991]

Ye they crawl all over the Midlands Aidsy

[TomdeGuerre]

lol what planet are you guys on?

Here's some figures for a Subaru 2 litre turbo in standard nick. How's your Auris stack up against these?

[smudge-1991]

I never said Subaru 2.0 turbo I said hot hatches impreza is a four wheel drive rally car with ( depending on spec) 276 bhp clever differentials and lots of electronic witchcraft and is also quite light not you average civic type r, golf GTi, focus st, Leon you know the ones that are it's main rivals Tom so we are on this planet. Also you reckon you could get an stock impreza from that long ago to achieve 0-60 in that time plus unless you do thrash your impreza 4wd are pretty difficult to get off the line without mistake due to the unrivalled traction dead easy to bog down ... But you look at the cars that were out in 2007 when these were released and it's surprising how well the Auris actually does as I don't believe in this stats stuff to much it's just a is achievable on good day in perfect conditions and you do it for a living the average Joe isn't a racer or track day warrior so not very often they actually achieve the stats like I said most is down to the driver and knowing there car and conditions and who is more willing to push. In my spare time outside the military I work in a car garage in Cornwall that is also a car tuning place so I get to drive a lot of different cars and my old man owns his own garage which I work in when back home and get to drive different cars there also an imprezas main rival is an evo ... And maybe the a couple of Audis and the focus rs ( sort of )

[TomdeGuerre]

Ben that wasn't the figures for a full track or rally Scoobie, you'd be talking 0-60 in the low 4's then. The thing that gets me is when ppl want to compare apples with oranges ie they want to compare turbo diesels with non-turbo petrols. Fact is that diesel engines are less powerful than petrols by about 20% so I say compare like with like and see how they stack up.

I was a petrol and diesel mechanic and I was in road haulage for a time working on a fleet with AEC, Gardner, Leyland and Perkins engines in the 6 litre to 11 litre range. I've stripped and rebuilt more of these engines than the proverbial hot dinners and I've lain out on the road in winter clearing out waxed up filters and lift pumps with diesel running down my arms. I hat the smell of diesel now and I hate following behind the myriad of taxis, cars, vans and buses that spew out their smoke and N02 fumes for me to breathe.

[smudge-1991]

No them figures are taken for the road going variants but there was 3 variants for the impreza in UK spec 2.0 non turbo and two variants of the turbo type with the most being 276bhp the 2.0 non turbo was actually not as powerful as you would like to think considering the 4wd systems capability but in modern cars the comparison of a turbo diesel is quite close to its naturally aspirated petrol rival you look at a 2.0 golf and compare it to its diesel rival and they punch pound for pound on most stats .... I completely understand your point with the fumes it is like smog but the step in recent years I might not have the yrs of experience like you but at nearly 10 yrs at it I'm not exactly new to the game either .... I got into tuning because the money was better and the recognition is gd ( for the ego anyway ) you drive the average petrol car not top spec and then drive the engines diesel equivalent in capacity and they are so evenly matched it's unreal .... It's shows particularly more in the German market than anywhere else .... The idea of the 2.2 was Toyotas hotish hatch would be able to be in the market with you average hotish hatch from other manufacturers ie golf Honda Ford and co but also have the economy edge on them .... And tbh I would have something petrol over the diesel if I didn't have to cover 35000 plus miles a year ... I do know that some of the slightly older diesels (early to mid 2000s) are down on power compared to its petrol powered relations

[aaron_auris_sr180]

my auris had no trouble in keeping up with a golf 1.8T, mini cooper s and a 1980's nissan 300zx. i had a clio sport 200 previously and the sr180 is just as quick (with the tuning box on top setting). even in the corners where the clio excelled, the sr180 with it's multi-link rear suspension would put up a pretty good fight despite being 200kg heavier!

[smudge-1991]

This is my arguement exactly ... The modern diesel was turbo charged to be as fast(ish) as its naturally aspirated petrol powered rivals .... I've found that the chipped 2.0 would out gun a 1.8t golf (150bhp variants) and that the 2.2 would be a very good match for the 180bhp variants ... When I chipped the 2.2 and did a couple of other mods I could keep up with the clios, type r, And other 200bhp models quite well in the corners and possibly if good enough on catching the throttle early enough could out drag them ... The heavier performance hatches like the big Leon and focus st 2.5l 225 brake would hold on to them in the bends and they didn't get away from me as they would like ... To me they are the cars in the same market as the Auris so I was very pleased .... Like I say the only reason I sold it was the eco wasn't as good as I would have liked

[TomdeGuerre]

Here we go again, my 2.2 turbo diesel can outgun a 1.8 turbo petrol - the lowered power one of course. How about the same 1.8 with the boost turned up slightly to 225 bhp? NOT a tracky or rallymobe, a normal road going car. Where would yours fit in there? its dust.

I see claims like somebody driving his oil burner boot to the floor, outgunning everything on the road and still getting 43+ mpg and I really wonder who's running the asylum. There's been posts on here with an SR180 owner saying even though he drives like Miss Daisy he can't get any better than about 32 mpg. So if you bleach it, fact is its like putting coals on the fire - if you want more heat you gotta burn more fuel.

Who'd want a diesel anyway? So you can regale others with tales about your EGR, SCV, DPF or of course the much heralded (and failed) Toyota DPNR system? Fuel economy and long life? I know somebody not far from me who's got a diesel not two years old yet and his sump is filling up with diesel fuel due to his DPF regen system. What's his chances of (a) fuel economy and (b) long engine life?

And when it's all said and done you've still got an engine with a flat induction roar and exhaust that sounds like a hair drier.

[smudge-1991]

I did just say Tom the chipped 2.2 would hold on to a degree to the 225 engines I also said I sold my 2.2 before it became a problem because of the problems with the dpf and head gasket problems and such and the economy was poor for a 2.2 diesel Honda does a better job of economy on the 2.2 I bought a 2 litre because the economy is miles better and ask anyone who tunes the diesels they will tell when tweaking them you get incredible economy gains as well as stacks more torque and power down to making the throttle and fuel timing unbelievably efficient and then because you have so much more torque when sat on the motorway it takes a lot less effort to move it's bulk thus using less fuel when at speed hence higher fuel gains it seems Tom you are against diesels ... So far you have come in saying you should compare an Auris with an impress and that your heavily experienced in very large capacity diesels ... What is being asked is , is the the 2.2 comparable to its performance rivals not the hottest Leon cupra r not focus rs not impreza not Audi tt ... And also modern petrol cars also have egr they don't soot up as fast obviously but they still have problems you clearly have grown to resent diesels and that is fair enough but in this day and age the diesel is what we have due to insane tax prices cost of fuel and economy hence why over 60% of cars on the roads in Europe are diesels .... Yes we compare our cars to others of course we will this is the nature of us as car enthusiasts and keen car people ... We want to know all about what we drive what others think etc as you see some of us have gone from petrol hot hatches to diesels before I had either of my Auris I had an old escort rs turbo these cars don't compare to that to drive but performance wise they are very similar in capabilities the idea of of the turbo on the diesel was to have comparable power to weight ratios to its N/A petrol counterparts don't believe me look it up .... You seem to be wise and very clued up so you should know this already .... But why shouldn't anyone compare their cars to others in the same market ....

[john_y]

Hi, I was given some advice by Lindop Toyota in terms of the known engine/ gasket problem - that is to buy a late as possible car certainly 58 reg - I bought a 59.

I decided to have it terracleaned to remove any carbon build up and certainly noticed a difference.

I had the chance to compare lindop toyota excellent tuning device with a digital turbo boost controller sold by tuning-diesels and found the boost controller to be just as effective/ suited my driving style - also costs £300 less - I wanted turbo lag to be improved and better spread of torque/ power. Can highly recommend Lindops device and it's possible to run both together.

The car is a bit of a sleeper and you might be interested to read this pistonheads article:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1480170

[aaron_auris_sr180]

Hi, I was given some advice by Lindop Toyota in terms of the known engine/ gasket problem - that is to buy a late as possible car certainly 58 reg - I bought a 59.

I decided to have it terracleaned to remove any carbon build up and certainly noticed a difference.

I had the chance to compare lindop toyota excellent tuning device with a digital turbo boost controller sold by tuning-diesels and found the boost controller to be just as effective/ suited my driving style - also costs £300 less - I wanted turbo lag to be improved and better spread of torque/ power. Can highly recommend Lindops device and it's possible to run both together.

The car is a bit of a sleeper and you might be interested to read this pistonheads article:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1480170

are you currently running one of these digiboosters? can you tell us more please? thanks

[john_y]

Hi, I was given some advice by Lindop Toyota in terms of the known engine/ gasket problem - that is to buy a late as possible car certainly 58 reg - I bought a 59.

I decided to have it terracleaned to remove any carbon build up and certainly noticed a difference.

I had the chance to compare lindop toyota excellent tuning device with a digital turbo boost controller sold by tuning-diesels and found the boost controller to be just as effective/ suited my driving style - also costs £300 less - I wanted turbo lag to be improved and better spread of torque/ power. Can highly recommend Lindops device and it's possible to run both together.

The car is a bit of a sleeper and you might be interested to read this pistonheads article:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1480170

are you currently running one of these digiboosters? can you tell us more please? thanks

ask away!

[smudge-1991]

How much is it how is it fitted how is it controlled etc

[john_y]

How much is it how is it fitted how is it controlled etc

It's £70, it plugs into the map sensor, apparently it adjusts the boost by about 3lb at high rpm ( 3-4500) and 5 lb at low rpm/ max torque.

It takes out flat spots - I would say like the Lindop 3 channel device the differences I notice is that it revs from 1400- 4200rpm smoothly in each gear - 6th gear especially I noticed the flat spot at motorway speeds and it eliminates this.

It intercepts the ecu - map signal and adjusts in different ranges - I have used mine at the recommended dpf setting, at high setting which brings on mil, and currently on medium/ high setting which seems fantastic. I have a diagnostics box and it's detected no faults at this setting.

There is lots of information at:

http://www.tuning-diesels.co.uk/our-range/digiboosters/

I NO way am I saying it's better than the 3 channel lindop device.

Any more questions?

John

[aaron_auris_sr180]

for £70 i may have a go just for a laugh. where did you buy it from? i cannot see anywhere to purchase on their website.

thanks.

[john_y]

for £70 i may have a go just for a laugh. where did you buy it from? i cannot see anywhere to purchase on their website.

thanks.

Hi, I found one on eBay HERE and sent an eBay pm to Ron.

[aaron_auris_sr180]

ok thanks. so just out of interest. what is the recommended dpf setting you mentioned?

[john_y]

ok thanks. so just out of interest. what is the recommended dpf setting you mentioned?

You get an information sheet - I think it increases the boost by less psi and doesn't increase torque by a lot. I think this keeps the dpf cooler but I think this depends on the car model. Ron said he expected ppl to run the high setting at their own risk which I did try.

I noticed yr running 201/335 - tuning box?

[aaron_auris_sr180]

yes its a tunit advantage so no boost increase like the lindop devices. just fuel...

[john_y]

yes its a tunit advantage so no boost increase like the lindop devices. just fuel...

They do expect you to be running a fuel rail tuning device with the dgb