2009 2.2 D-Cat Check Parking Brake and and VSC System Lights

[Johngh]

Hi,

Car is 2009 2.2 D-Cat Avensis 44.000 miles.

I've got the dreaded Check parking brake and VSC system lights come up on the dash board. Parking brake light warning has been intermittent about 3 times in the last 3 months, but now its on all the time and the VSC warning has now also come on. I've read a few threads about this issue and there never seems to be one fix. I've had a friend of mine run his Bosch diagnostics through it and its thrown up the following codes below. If other threads are anything to go by, the park brake actuator is probably OK. Its one of the other issues that is maybe throwing it out. To be honest I'm pretty much disgusted a car with only 44.000 miles on the clock has these issues, especially as it seems to be a common issue.

I've read one thread where the accelerator pedal was changed and it cleared the issue. My friend has managed to clear some codes which are also listed below.

Also, If I disconnect the Battery, will the error messages on the dashboard clear? my friend can't clear the codes through his Bosch kit, but will a main dealer be able to?

Appreciate any advice that can be given.

Parking Brake

C1346 clutch pedal sensor calibration not perform

C1336 YAW rate/longitudal acceleration sensor or calibration.

C1201 Control unit for parking brake malfunction.

Cleared codes

C13A2 Control unit for parking brake malfunction

C13AA Parking brake control motor temperature too high

C13A7 parking Brake motor control malfunction

[Heidfirst]

Hi & welcome 

it's not common - bear in mind that there are hundreds of thousands of T27 Avensis out there - it's certainly less common on Avensis than on VAG cars.

Hopefully Devon Aygo will be able to answer your technical questions about codes.

[Konrad C]

I would check the connections to the pedals and any other possible connections. Only worry about the actuator if the handbrake is not working - though you said it is working fine. It is all these multi connections between the control units and switches. I wonder if the parking brake cables can/need lubricating or a sticking caliper?

[Johngh]

I forgot in my original post. The handbrake works OK. But one of the rear callipers  was sticking badly. It's now been freed. I would like to get the codes cleared off to see if the problem comes back. The Bosch won't clear all of them, but my guess is the Toyota diagnostic will. Then I can see if the problem comes back or not without throwing silly money at it.

[Devon Aygo]

10 hours ago, Johngh said:

Hi,

Car is 2009 2.2 D-Cat Avensis 44.000 miles.

I've got the dreaded Check parking brake and VSC system lights come up on the dash board. Parking brake light warning has been intermittent about 3 times in the last 3 months, but now its on all the time and the VSC warning has now also come on. I've read a few threads about this issue and there never seems to be one fix. I've had a friend of mine run his Bosch diagnostics through it and its thrown up the following codes below. If other threads are anything to go by, the park brake actuator is probably OK. Its one of the other issues that is maybe throwing it out. To be honest I'm pretty much disgusted a car with only 44.000 miles on the clock has these issues, especially as it seems to be a common issue.

I've read one thread where the accelerator pedal was changed and it cleared the issue. My friend has managed to clear some codes which are also listed below.

Also, If I disconnect the battery, will the error messages on the dashboard clear? my friend can't clear the codes through his Bosch kit, but will a main dealer be able to?

Appreciate any advice that can be given.

Parking Brake

C1346 clutch pedal sensor calibration not perform

C1336 YAW rate/longitudal acceleration sensor or calibration.

C1201 Control unit for parking brake malfunction.

Cleared codes

C13A2 Control unit for parking brake malfunction

C13AA Parking brake control motor temperature too high

C13A7 parking Brake motor control malfunction

None of the codes above are recognised as symptoms of a failing EPB such as water ingress.

C1346/75 Zero Point Calibration of Clutch Stroke Sensor Undone - Zero point calibration needs resetting and recalibrating, will need Toyota's diagnostic machine.

C1336/74Zero Point Calibration of G Sensor Undone - Zero point calibration needs resetting and recalibrating, will need Toyota's diagnostic machine.

C1201  Engine Control System Malfunction - Is set because of the other Fault codes

These codes won't clear until the zero point calibrations are reset and most likely occurred with the EPB being unplugged from the car.

C13A2/22Engine / Power Switch Malfunction - Is set when a mismatch in sent and received CAN signals occurs between the engine a EPB control units

C13AA/71Electric Parking Brake High Temperature - Is set when the EPB is operated on/off too often within a ignition cycle, its not actually an overheat just a software prevention to stop overheating by repeated on/off of the EPB

C13A7/43Actuator Malfunction - is set when the actuator fails to complete an on/off cycle i.e no response or only partial movement or cant move a cable/caliper etc this would have been set because of your seized caliper

 

[Johngh]

Thanks very much, so by the look of it there is not a lot wrong, just needs re-sets. Like I said, the check part brake fault display has been intermittent. The rest of the problems started when I reversed out of a parking space with the EPB on and it auto released. Then the check park brake and the check VSC lights both came on.

[Johngh]

So, car has been to Toyota Derby today for diagnostics to try to fix the issues. They can't clear the codes. They have tried to re-set the G sensor calibration  and the clutch zero point and they can't do that either. They are saying that in the manual it points to a new Parking brake ECU, cost for this including fitting £1600

They are saying that there is another un-clearable code for the throttle valve and possible EGR and manifold clean. They also say it may need a new throttle valve

Now, I've seen many a thread about this issue, not just in the UK, but global. One guy forked out for a new EGR and it didn't fix the lights being reset, but a new throttle body did.

So, is the issue a new ECU or a new throttle body or what. Toyota Derby said they have had issues before with these units and the codes won't clear until a new one is fit.

I've told the guy under pain of death, that if I pay £1600 and it doesn't fix the problem, they will be responsible to fix it. Personally I was hoping they could clear the codes and then I'd have part xed the car for something else.

They have also found other faults including a exhaust gas recirculation throttle position control range issue, a vehicle speed sensor issue and a curtain shield air bag sensor issue.

I've dome 4000 miles in it since I bought it and I'm now faced with this. To fix this lot I'm maybe looking at a 2.5k bill. Its the worst car I've owned in over 35 years of motoring by a country mile.

I'm also a quality engineer in tier 1 automotive to boot. My contacts at Toyota are going to get a serious ear bending over this.

Bottom line is going by other threads I've no faith that fitting a new Parking brake ECU will fix it.

 

[Johngh]

Radio Silence

[Konrad C]

I have never seen a car with so many electronic faults diagnosed. Have you own the car since new, or bought the car second hand?

I have the petrol version and apart from the occasional warning that the VSC and ABS has not completed communication after start up (easliy cleared), the car is fine.

There was is place that could open the parking brake unit, repair and re-solder the parking brake ECU circuit board and modify the water proofing of the housing and cables. That company is Surrey Electronics. You may have read about them. I watch Wheeler Dealer and there are companies who do repairs of electronic components.

My brother has a Renault Grand Scenic, and has had a few electrical issues, and they have all been solved without great expense - high braking LED light failed, replaced with one from breakers yard. No stop lights, replaced brake pedal switch and after adjustment got back cruise control which had not been working for some time. Front passenger "Temec" switch failed causing the window to partially wind down. Again replace the part from breakers yard. The heater fan motor circuit board failed. My brother ordered the part from eBay for £15, and we replaced it. I found a technique that was quicker than dismantling the dashboard. 

If my brother went to the dealers, it would have cost him over £1000 to fix that lot! Dealers tend to be only fitters, and their idea is to change whole units, instead of separate repairs. 

There should be a way of testing the cabling, to eliminate a possible circuit board fault of bad connections. These systems talk to each other. The pedal switches can be tested.

I am not qualified, yet fixed most of the things mentioned above. Just wish I had electronics qualifications.

[FROSTYBALLS]

"Car is 2009 2.2 D-Cat Avensis 44.000 miles.

I've dome 4000 miles in it since I bought it and I'm now faced with this."

From the OP's previous posts, the car was used.

Buying a 6/7 year old car always has a level of risk, and what no-one knows is whether some of the fault codes were present on purchase. If the purchase was from a dealer and since October 2015, under the new consumer legislation, you should have a degree of comeback. 

As regards responses (radio silence), there has been a comprehensive response on fault codes, and, presumably, people had little to add to that.

Radio 2 is the most listened to radio station in the UK ....

 

[Konrad C]

2 hours ago, Konrad C said:

I have never seen a car with so many electronic faults diagnosed. Have you own the car since new, or bought the car second hand?

I have the petrol version and apart from the occasional warning that the VSC and ABS has not completed communication after start up (easliy cleared), the car is fine.

There was is place that could open the parking brake unit, repair and re-solder the parking brake ECU circuit board and modify the water proofing of the housing and cables. That company is Surrey Electronics. You may have read about them. I watch Wheeler Dealer and there are companies who do repairs of electronic components.

My brother has a Renault Grand Scenic, and has had a few electrical issues, and they have all been solved without great expense - high braking LED light failed, replaced with one from breakers yard. No stop lights, replaced brake pedal switch and after adjustment got back cruise control which had not been working for some time. Front passenger "Temec" switch failed causing the window to partially wind down. Again replace the part from breakers yard. The heater fan motor circuit board failed. My brother ordered the part from eBay for £15, and we replaced it. I found a technique that was quicker than dismantling the dashboard. 

If my brother went to the dealers, it would have cost him over £1000 to fix that lot! Dealers tend to be only fitters, and their idea is to change whole units, instead of separate repairs. 

There should be a way of testing the cabling, to eliminate a possible circuit board fault of bad connections. These systems talk to each other. The pedal switches can be tested.

I am not qualified, yet fixed most of the things mentioned above. Just wish I had electronics qualifications.

 

1 hour ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

"Car is 2009 2.2 D-Cat Avensis 44.000 miles.

I've dome 4000 miles in it since I bought it and I'm now faced with this."

From the OP's previous posts, the car was used.

Buying a 6/7 year old car always has a level of risk, and what no-one knows is whether some of the fault codes were present on purchase. If the purchase was from a dealer and since October 2015, under the new consumer legislation, you should have a degree of comeback. 

As regards responses (radio silence), there has been a comprehensive response on fault codes, and, presumably, people had little to add to that.

Radio 2 is the most listened to radio station in the UK ....

 

Thanks Mike for spotting and answering the owner question. I missed that looking at the first post, when it was mentioned on Johngh later posts.

When I bought my car last year, I checked everything thoroughly at both the sale and after. I bought a diagnostic tool to check of any codes and only one was found and cleared. Everything I have done has been wear and tear items, and yesterday changed the oil and filter.

The one thing I do not like is the EPB and has some rules to protect it from water damage. I was the car myself and so not aim the water towards the unit. I avoid puddles when ever possible. Flooded roads are a no-no, and will not go through fords. I also try to be careful where I park - actually people think I am too fussy.

There is the risk buying an older car, and I did my homework know these risks. There are lots of cars out there with a few bad examples. Just the case of spotting and avoiding. 

Some fault code are triggered by other "unrelated" faults, because of the way the systems are linked.

What I would do now is look for a breakers or check eBay and get the parts needed to solve the problems (only if it confirmed that the part needs changing). If the EPB could be checked away from the car and is found to be fine, the new unit has the same problem, then there is a comms problem with the cabling between the various control units.

I think you have been unfortunate with this car and not many members have been in your situation, to give you a suggestion you are after.

  

[Johngh]

3 hours ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

"Car is 2009 2.2 D-Cat Avensis 44.000 miles.

I've dome 4000 miles in it since I bought it and I'm now faced with this."

From the OP's previous posts, the car was used.

Buying a 6/7 year old car always has a level of risk, and what no-one knows is whether some of the fault codes were present on purchase. If the purchase was from a dealer and since October 2015, under the new consumer legislation, you should have a degree of comeback. 

As regards responses (radio silence), there has been a comprehensive response on fault codes, and, presumably, people had little to add to that.

Radio 2 is the most listened to radio station in the UK ....

 

I bought the car from a dealer in November 2015, I phoned Toyota about the issues and got no joy, which is fair enough given its age. But they did say to try trading standards.

 

I've seen parking brake ECU's on eBay for £300 but I'd need a guarantee it is OK. There is an ex toyota mechanic set his own place up in Derby. It's going there nest week. My colleague at work who is on his second Avensis swears by him. I spoke to the guy on the phone and he didn't have much positive to say about the dealership in derby, he said if he needs anything he uses the dealership in Nottingham.

Devon Aygo came up with some comments on the problem with the fault codes and I'm tending to go with him. I don't think the dealer did enough to find out the cause.

As for the fault codes i've never seen anything like it. Some of them must have been there when I bought it.  i had looked at Surrey electronics. Their report gives suggestions what to fix, but gives the impression they don't actually fix them.

Thanks guys

 

[Johngh]

So, as an update I took the car to Powerhouse in Derby who are an Independent Toyota specialist. Took it there as a recommendation from a workmate.

They have been brilliant in dealing with the car, they have cleaned out the manifold and EGR valve and got that working OK, they also tested all the VSC system and said all the sensors are OK. They actually found an issue with the throttle body and have put a new one on the car and all codes related to the electric hand brake and VSC have cleared. Car now absolutely fly's. 

So instead of a potential £1600 bill for a part I didn't need, it's now cost sub £400 including parts. Personally wouldn't take a pedal car to Toyota Derby.

Very happy with the service I got from Powerhouse. They charged me for the EGR and manifold clean and spent a further 2 hours on it F.O.C before finding the throttle body issue.

Strange as it is, there was another thread on the web I saw where a guy had exactly the same issue as me, and his problem was the throttle body as well. No idea why a throttle body issue should trigger a check handbrake system warning. But hopefully its sorted now.

I've also got a 3.0i BMW Z4, I've just booked it into Powerhouse for a service. Top notch guys, highly recommended.

[Nave]

Hi johngh

Thanks so much for your post very helpfull.

My car has also same problem my mechanic found code c1201and u 0100. 

I read your post but I live in London please advice if i tell my mechanic to clean EGR valve, manifold and replace Throttle body or i come to durby and check my car at same place where you done your work. 

What is best place to buy another throttle body ?

Many Thanks

[Johngh]

@ Nave

Your display is showing the same as mine did, only I had check VSC system showing as well. Powerhouse got a new throttle body from Toyota for £230. I do know that the electronics tech at Powerhouse is away on holiday for two weeks from this Friday.

I don't profess to understand all the ins and outs of this issue. But I would suggest your tech checks the throttle body. The guy at Powerhouse said that there was a part on mine that was stuck at 80% open, the potentiometer was working, but there was another part of the electronics on it that had burnt out. He freed the stuck bit so it was working again and the improvement in performance was very noticeable.

Once the new one was on the car the codes cleared and the car now performs better than it has since I've had it. I think there was an issue when I bought it 8 months ago because its never ran this well.

 

If you get stuck, give Powerhouse a call 01332 366588. tell them you appear to have the same issue as me and I'm sure they will offer advice. They are super helpful.

 

Hope this helps.

[Nave]

Hi Johngh

It is showing both messeges check parking brake and check vsc system as well. 

But some time both error messages and lights clear itself and some time come back on during driving. In both condition car runing absloulty fine. 

I contact to powerhouse they ask me that if i am using car as taxi. I said yes i use as taxi. They advice that when you are runing car local too much then peoblem come. But they said we can fix the problem no garntee it can come back on again.

he also said i can use car if its runing fine. Once its runing performance goes down then problem.

i am going to do what you done clean or change throttle body and clean EGR valve, manifold and see what happend. 

 

Many Thanks 

 

  

 

 

 

 

[Nave]

Hi Johngh 

Thanks so much. Problem solve after cleaning Manfold, EGR Valve and throttle body. All messages gone except engine light. My mechnic clear engine light with his machine . All sorted thanks so much. I hope it wont come back again. 

Manfold was so much dirty and block two small holes with dust after cleaning car performance also better. 

Thanks so much Konrad C and Johngh. 

[Nave]

Hi Everyone

My Toyota Avensis 2010 does show outside temprature on screen. Any one know how to fix it

 

thanks 

[taxi]

my garage said when i changed my rear pads i needed to reset the computer on the car

[biker99]

I have also had a problem with the EPB & VCS warning lights  coming on in my 09 2.2 TR dd with 85k miles on  the handbrake still worked fine and the warning would come ang go regular on start up.  my local auto electrician checked it over and found a damaged connector plug for the throttle body he did a little soldering on the connector as a temp repair at minor cost and   and told me to get a new  unit  he did  seem to know what the problem was before he even looked at the car but then he does look after a few of the local taxi drivers Avensis cars so he may have had experience of the fault.   to be honest its ran fine ever since his temp repair so I haven't had to replace anything yet

 

[Jajsaaja]

On 8/11/2016 at 12:55 AM, Nave said:

 

Hello,

I know that a long time has passed since the start of this topic, but I was wondering if during the time that those warning lights were on (and after that) car was using more fuel than usual? My 09 2.2 D4D had the same problems as yours but is less fuel efficent ( ~40 mpg before, now~35mpg)