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I have a very similar situation with my wife and we opted three years ago for a Yaris Hybrid Icon and never looked back. It was £68 per mth on a 30 month PCP plan (deposit was around £3500) and interest free. Unfortunately that deal which was about £14200 isn't available now so we bought it for £8400 at the end. The reasons are the other small hatchbacks in automatic like the excellent Aygo and Up are single clutch ASG which are apparently jerky and not good although that is based on what I have read and not driving. She  rarely does more than 10 miles return and usually about 4-5 miles. We get over 50 mpg from cold in winter - tell me which other small auto petrol could do that? It is very quiet, roomy and exceptionally comfortable - easily a match for my Audi A3 Sportback. We tested a Renault Zoe and it is a fantastic car. But on top of the price you have to pay £75 mth  to rent the Battery which negates the fuel savings. Also there is a major problem getting rid of them - the new owner has to also lease the Battery and there is no way round it. Mind, set against this it is reflected in the price and you can buy a 2014 low mileage used one for just over £4k so it could be worth a punt on a used one .

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1 hour ago, dcweather said:

We tested a Renault Zoe and it is a fantastic car. But on top of the price you have to pay £75 mth  to rent the Battery which negates the fuel savings.

Battery rental is mileage based and the lowest you can go for is £49 a month for 4500 miles a year. It basically works out to 13p a mile for the Battery and 2p a mile for electricity which is the more then the 10p a mile you can get with the Yaris Hybrid! The only upsides with the Zoe is quiet performance and pre-warming or cooling.

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As long as they keep nailing pure EV cars on things like batteries and charging, they will never be better (economically at least) than a Hybrid! Absolutely stupid!

It's almost as if they don't want pure EV cars to succeed.... :rolleyes:

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One thing not usually mentioned about EVs is that they are usually internet connected at all times. This is great for future governments - speeding fines, tracking, road charging, etc! It is also good for Renault in that I think they can disable charging if you fail to pay the Battery rental! You have been warned :ohmy:

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Just now, Mike J. said:

One thing not usually mentioned about EVs is that they are usually internet connected at all times. This is great for future governments - speeding fines, tracking, road charging, etc! It is also good for Renault in that I think they can disable charging if you fail to pay the Battery rental! You have been warned :ohmy:

Uhhh... I *heart* Big Brother? Screw that!

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We looked into getting a Zoe some time back, but it's not cost-effective at all.  I phoned Renault about this, and told them that their Battery rental kills any idea we may have had buying one and that I couldn't understand why anyone bought one.  The chap I was speaking to tried his best to convince me, but in the end, he agreed with me about the costs being prohibitive!

Electricity plus rental comes to more per mile than an economical car even though you may pay VED as well.

We pay about £40 per month on petrol, so Battery rental alone is a stupid idea.  You can buy a Zoe outright, but you pay MUCH more for the car, and you don't get any of the bells and whistles regarding roadside assistance and a tow to the nearest charge point.  Plus they won't guarantee the Battery as much as they would with rental.  Can't remember the actual figures.

It seems the prices of secondhand Zoes are very low.  Most people have them on PCP or a contract, and they handed back at the end.  There are very few private owners on rental or even outright.

Mick.

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We looked into getting a Zoe some time back, but it's not cost-effective at all.  I phoned Renault about this, and told them that their Battery rental kills any idea we may have had buying one and that I couldn't understand why anyone bought one.  The chap I was speaking to tried his best to convince me, but in the end, he agreed with me about the costs being prohibitive!
Electricity plus rental comes to more per mile than an economical car even though you may pay VED as well.
We pay about £40 per month on petrol, so Battery rental alone is a stupid idea.  You can buy a Zoe outright, but you pay MUCH more for the car, and you don't get any of the bells and whistles regarding roadside assistance and a tow to the nearest charge point.  Plus they won't guarantee the Battery as much as they would with rental.  Can't remember the actual figures.
It seems the prices of secondhand Zoes are very low.  Most people have them on PCP or a contract, and they handed back at the end.  There are very few private owners on rental or even outright.
Mick.



I bought a hybrid, as an electric only was a non starter for me. I take the car abroad, range and charge time was something I didn’t feel confident in. Maybe in the near future things will be better for my use.


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Old Renault Zoe has Battery rental but Renault Zoe 400 does not have Battery rental any more in Turkey. Price tag of base model is 130.000TL include tax. (28.900€)

There are 2 different taxes on Zoe in Turkey; one is ÖTV that adds %3 to base price then second is KDV that adds on it  another %18 tax.

Although high petrol prices in Turkey, Zoe 400 doesn't profitable with this price tag. So I have Yaris Hybrid :) 

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On 02/12/2017 at 3:18 PM, Mick F said:

I've sort of given up in recording the MPG figures as we were getting between 55 and 65 mpg depending on routes and usage.

They were - and still are I suppose - much better than any other car we've ever owned.  Living here in Cornwall with the incessant hills, MPG suffers compared to somewhere flat or gently undulating.  I don't care what MPG figure we're getting, but we're safe in the knowledge that the figure is possibly 15 to 20 MPG better.  50% better perhaps.

I set the readout to display the total odometer reading, but the other day, I clicked it over to Average MPG and was rather dismayed to see that it read 41.9mpg.  I'd not looked at it for a couple of months.

A few days ago, I reset it at home and after driving to Tavistock and back plus a bit of local driving, it was down to 38.5mpg.  Total distance was a dozen miles or so.

I reset it again this morning after driving into Tavistock, then drove to the outskirts of northern Plymouth and then back to Tavistock .......... 12miles each way on the A386.  This time it read 68.8mpg. The good economy was due to the profiles of the roads as Tavistock to Plymouth is over very gentle rolling hills.

Fuel economy is dictated to by the hills.

Mick.

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Before I had my hybrid I never paid as much attention to the display. Now I do and I still wonder how bad the display would have reported then, I used to use nearly twice as much fuel.
Now I find it amusing to watch the range figure looking like it’s on pause especially when your getting towards the bottom of the fuel gauge.


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I'm on my 3rd Yaris Hybrid, and love it.
During their first year the first 2 would do about 320 miles on a tankful, lots of local area driving and an odd journey on the motorway. After their 12 month service this improved to about 335 miles per tankful. The first one was bought, and therefore serviced in September. The second was bought and serviced in March. This one was bought and serviced in September. That info is relevant to my problem :)

Since my present car was serviced in September the fuel consumption has plummeted. The red fuel warning light used to come on just after 300 miles and would be filled before it reached 320. After the service the light came on at much less than the 300. Each tankful seemed to give even fewer miles. 280 before light came on was the norm, but the last 2 have not even reached 250 before the light. This did not happen with my first hybrid which had also been bought and serviced in September. The time of year is highly relevant here. 

After several tankfuls I decided it was getting worse and went to see the dealer. I got the excuse of "weather", "air pressure", "normal for hybrid' etc. But they agreed to look at it. They found nothing wrong. I can understand the possibility that weather is worse now than the last 4 winters, but September's weather was no worse or better than the previous years. There was no obvious reason for the drop in efficiency.

I want to go back to the dealer after my next fill up, which will not show any improvement, but don't know what else I can tell them. They are still going to blame the weather :(

 

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I doubt the time of year has anything to do with it.
One thing you could check is the traction Battery fan filter to see if it is blocked. The symptom of the blocked filter is poor fuel economy and the car doesn’t spend much time running on just electric. You might notice the fan is always running.
If you have a smart phone, with the addition of a obd cable or device. Using a app you could record the relevant data and look at it after your drive, this should give a clue as to what is happening with your hybrid.


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Thank you.

I'd noticed it didn't run on just Battery very much now, but didn't link the 2.

What is an obd cable and which app should I use, on iPhone 8?

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I use the Carista bluetooth obd adapter and EngineLink plus a few others that I haven’t tried on my iPhone 6 Plus.
I also have a cheap android phone that is just used for a free app called hybrid assistant using the same bluetooth adapter.
Hybrid assistant records the whole journey and the reporter app you can view Battery usage, temperature. It also has a Battery capacity test.
I also ha


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