Mike J.

Poor headlights using HIR2 bulbs confirmed?

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3 hours ago, 007matt said:

I didn't mind the projectors on the Yaris simply because I can install hid on it, about the same cost as the optiwhites, although it give out 4-5 times the light output. 

Not legally for road use unless the lamp unit is marked as suitable for HID ... If it isn't the car should fail it's next MOT if you take it for testing so-equipped.

& then there is the levelling/headlight wash situation.

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I find the range from the dipped beam terrible. At night in the rain, the road turns completely black. It's just like the light can't be seen. High beam is much better, but can't be used for long, oncoming traffic etc. 

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I( have fitted Optiwhite bulbs to my Auris It is a worthwhile upgrade as the std lights are so poor.  The lights are now brighter but the obviously the range or direction does not change due to the design of the highlight itself. There are a few features I think the MK1 Auris I had previously done much better than this MK2 . Highlights being  one of them

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7 hours ago, Heidfirst said:

Not legally for road use unless the lamp unit is marked as suitable for HID ... If it isn't the car should fail it's next MOT if you take it for testing so-equipped.

& then there is the levelling/headlight wash situation.

Not something I'm  concerns with. I probably have an accident with the standard bulbs in the country roads through not being able to see. HID eliminate that problem. 

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You do as you wish, but I'll be staying on the correct side of the law.

If - God forbid - you are involved in an accident even if it's not your fault in the slightest, you won't technically be insured.  The authorities will be onto you like a tone of bricks, and your insurance company won't want to know.

Mick.

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It's all declared and insured. 

I was actually involved in an accident 4 months ago, the 3rd were at fault and paid out straight forward as it should. 

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All declared to your insurance and they are happy?  Comply with the construction and use laws as well?  You have to be both.

If so, excellent.  Do tell us more.

Mick.

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3 hours ago, 007matt said:

It's all declared and insured. 

you actually declared to your insurer that you have fitted an illegal modification & they were happy? which insurer?

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In your opinion its illegal, which I don't go by as with all internet forum opinions. 

Adrian Flux. 

Mick F - best thing to do is have a chat with your insurer and see what their position is on HID mod, rather than listen to people on internet forums voicing their opinions, including myself. 

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1 hour ago, 007matt said:

In your opinion its illegal, which I don't go by as with all internet forum opinions. 

if all that you have done is fit HID bulbs/conversion kit to a non-HID approved/marked lamp unit then it is illegal for road use hence why it should also fail the revised MOT if so presented.

Perhaps DAN@ADRIAN FLUX would care to comment?

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12 hours ago, 007matt said:

Mick F - best thing to do is have a chat with your insurer and see what their position is on HID mod, rather than listen to people on internet forums voicing their opinions, including myself. 

I suggest you read this https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/aftermarket-hid-headlamps/aftermarket-hid-headlamps  This is an internet forum of course, but Gov.UK has some authority.

If you comply with the law, I would be surprised.

Mick.

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IANAL, but that gov.uk link (here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/aftermarket-hid-headlamps/aftermarket-hid-headlamps ) has some interesting wording.

First it says:

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In the Department for Transport’s (DfT) view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to xenon HID he must purchase completely new xenon HID headlamps.
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Clear so far... Note also it is only an opinion of the department, and not legally binding.

It then says:

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The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK. Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply with European type approval regulations.
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So under UK law, HIDs of any source are not legal. Also clear.

Under EU Type Approval (which the UK must accept), they are legal, so we defer to EU law:

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For the aftermarket, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because this only applies to new vehicles. However DfT does not think it reasonable simply to ban HID in the aftermarket. Instead the Department makes analogies with new vehicles. It seems reasonable to require HID in the aftermarket to meet the same safety standards as those for new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
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So it's illegal under UK Law, legal under EU Type Approval for new vehicles only, but then the Government choose to ignore UK law, and choose to bend EU law, and so make the sale and fitting of HIDs legal, and should (not MUST) comply with all the safety standards of new cars, *****which they just said can't happen under EU Type Approval*****.

So they actually say it is legal to fit them, because they also state it is not possible to get type approval.

Test case required, me thinks.

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1 hour ago, YarisHybrid2016 said:

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For the aftermarket, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because this only applies to new vehicles. However DfT does not think it reasonable simply to ban HID in the aftermarket. Instead the Department makes analogies with new vehicles. It seems reasonable to require HID in the aftermarket to meet the same safety standards as those for new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
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So it's illegal under UK Law, legal under EU Type Approval for new vehicles only, but then the Government choose to ignore UK law, and choose to bend EU law, and so make the sale and fitting of HIDs legal, and should (not MUST) comply with all the safety standards of new cars, *****which they just said can't happen under EU Type Approval*****.

So they actually say it is legal to fit them, because they also state it is not possible to get type approval.

Test case required, me thinks.

it is possible to retrofit HIDs to a car to standards that would comply but it could be very expensive (depending upon what light units were already fitted, & if levelling & headlamp wash already were).

HIDs are legal for offroad use.

2 ( I didn't bother to check more) of the largest suppliers (powerbulbs & HIDS4U) of aftermarket HIDs also say on their websites (although you have to go looking ...) that they aren't road legal.

The problem with these laws (as in many cases) is enforcement of existing legislation.

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