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5 minutes ago, Heidfirst said:

cheaper than a new DPF on a diesel which definitely will need replaced at some point in a vehicles lifetime (assuming not crashed etc. & life shortened). Presumably similar for the petrol particulate filters now coming in on petrol engines. Under Toyota's hybrid system "gearboxes" are more reliable so less maintenance & therefore expense over 100s of thousands of miles.

As I said earlier there are usage profiles where diesels will work out better but similarly there are usage profiles where hybrids will beat diesels.

nor are diesel or petrol ICEs ...

I clean dpf s and so could garages 

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I have only cleaned dpfs I've never had to replace one I don't really have to buy many parts as I have lots of rav4 and Avensis parts because I've striped 2 ravs and 1 avensis or and took the shells to emr to be recycled so maybe without trying I'm doing my bit for the planet 

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1 hour ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Toyota's hybrid battery extended cover has recently been changed to provide a longer period of cover - an extract from the website shows:

 "On top of the generous 5 year or 100,000 mile Hybrid Battery Warranty, customers can benefit from our Hybrid Battery Extended Cover which ensures an additional year or 10,000 miles (whichever comes sooner) of cover. This can be renewed up to the 15th anniversary of the car's registration, with no limit on total mileage. 

Hybrid Battery Extended Cover is included when you have a Hybrid Electric Service carried out on your vehicle by a Toyota Hybrid Electric Specialist."
 

Thanks for that Fballs, that makes the big Battery warranty even more impressive then I thought.

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30 minutes ago, Longcock said:

I have only cleaned dpfs I've never had to replace one I don't really have to buy many parts as I have lots of rav4 and Avensis parts because I've striped 2 ravs and 1 avensis or and took the shells to emr to be recycled so maybe without trying I'm doing my bit for the planet 

I am very impressed you do so much work on your vehicles, but I am sure you agree you are not the typical vehicle owner.  I would like to think all check their engine oil and tyre pressures regularly, but in reality I would think the numbers fall short........ some cant be bothered/know how, to check their windscreen washer bottle. 😀 

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38 minutes ago, Longcock said:

I have only cleaned dpfs I've never had to replace one 

I guess that you have 2x 2AD-FHVs as afaik those are the only Toyota diesels with a DPF (actually a DPNR) of that age?

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1 minute ago, Heidfirst said:

I guess that you have 2x 2AD-FHVs as afaik those are the only Toyota diesels with a DPF (actually a DPNR) of that age?

No my personal cars don't have dpfs just two cats 

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15 minutes ago, Catlover said:

I am very impressed you do so much work on your vehicles, but I am sure you agree you are not the typical vehicle owner.  I would like to think all check their engine oil and tyre pressures regularly, but in reality I would think the numbers fall short........ some cant be bothered/know how, to check their windscreen washer bottle. 😀 

Come to think about it I did have to replace two cats on a rav due to the turbo going bad I stupidly left the car for months and the oil from the blown turbo file them and must have set so ended up putting an engine and two cats on but the good news was I got  £86 for the old cats they just couldn't be cleaned 

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1 hour ago, Longcock said:

…. I think some of these hybrid owners won't like my 1999 bmw e46 328ci but honestly it's a pleasure ….

You might be getting confused. It is possible to own a hybrid and also a V8 gas-guzzler - someone like me 🙂

Horses for courses ...

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Straight six gas guzzler

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The point, as I see it, is that government environmental regulations will soon make pure ICE power units impossible.  The only way to get the emissions under the proposed new limits will be hybrid or electric power units.

Hybrids in their present form are too complicated and expensive.  The perfect vehicle should not need two different types of power unit bolted together.  The sooner we can get rid of the ICE bit, the better.

Hybrids are merely a stop-gap until Battery technology is good enough to get you further than to the shops and back.  Ideally, we need a range between charges of greater than 300 miles.

The benefit of electric vehicles to the individual driver is debatable.  The benefit to society as a whole is easier to see.  The days of burning as much fuel as you can afford are long gone (although the petrolhead in me still feels a slightly guilty sense of sadness).

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That I do agree with vortipor .we need more charging points but the technology to fast charge but then what do we do with our beloved classics or even if they aren't classic like my bmw I can't begin to imagine what it will be like for some people who really are in love with their cars and let's face it a lot of people are 

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I honestly think hybrids are going to be on the scrap heap and a lot of people will loose a fortune they are too expensive for most people unless they get a lot of finance they aren't what we need at the end of the day we still need to produce petrol for them that in itself can't be good. Just my opinion 

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5 hours ago, Vortipor said:

Hybrids in their present form are too complicated and expensive.

As regards cost, it depends what you compare them with. Toyota hybrids are all automatics, so to provide a fair compsrison, they should be compared with automatic versions of either petrol or diesel models.  Certainly when compared to diesel automatics, the cost difference narrows.

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I would imagine if you need to go into London on a regular basis you would be very happy if you have a hybrid that qualifies for zero charge due to low emissions.  

The fact is as of today, Battery only operated cars don’t do a great mileage before top needed, and then the infrastructure isn’t there to support the need.  Obviously as technology of Battery size makes them smaller, and technology makes them last longer, and more charging points, new petrol cars will cease to be produced. Alas, that is all a good few years away.  Until then I think a hybrid is a very good compromise.  Toyota hybrids have been on the road in the uk for the last 20 years, but I think it’s only in the last 3-4 years that new hybrid vehicle sales have really took off, and their seems to be a good market for second hand vehicles. Virtually all the major manufacturers have got hybrid or Battery vehicles in the market, and more appearing every year.  It’s called progress and your can’t stop it.

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Yes they are on the way but no were near yet can everyone remember when we were told to buy diesel engine cars lol I never understood that either it's all a con and I can't see why people always believe these things at least someone believes it's a compromise wich it is in a way but miles away still 

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What Car published a report today on the lowest and highest depreciating cars at the three year/30,000 mile stage.

Both the Rav4 hybrid (63% residual value) and the Toyota Prius hybrid (62.9% residual value) were in the top ten lowest depreciators, amongst other more expensive hybrids, etc. In What Car's words:

"proving that you don't have to spend a fortune to get a car that will hold its value well."

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You have to remember I live in a different world I never ever even consider spending 10s of thousands of pounds on cars I spend hundreds then sometimes when I've had my use 1 to 6 year's I'll sell for more often than not more than I paid so quotes from magazine's are pretty useless to me it's a different world to mine even if I don't sell them I will dismantle them and get the cats and engines then usually stick to a similar car do you get were I'm coming from? 

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53 minutes ago, Longcock said:

You have to remember I live in a different world I never ever even consider spending 10s of thousands of pounds on cars I spend hundreds then sometimes when I've had my use 1 to 6 year's I'll sell for more often than not more than I paid so quotes from magazine's are pretty useless to me it's a different world to mine even if I don't sell them I will dismantle them and get the cats and engines then usually stick to a similar car do you get were I'm coming from? 

Zero depression 

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The car i use mostly at the moment is a toyota avensis 2.0 d4d 2005 with over 200000 miles i paid  £110 for it . It stood for about a year before I got it the previous owner had it from nearly new all he did was serviced in it still has it's original clutch with no issues as it was only used for work he worked on the roads so always had to travel on motorways the only reason he replaced it is because it had 2 snapped springs. I use it for school runs 40 miles per day and work also towing my caravan and sometimes use an A frame it's ideal for me at the moment I don't think a hybrid would cut the mustard for me even if I had  £30.000 wich I haven't and would hate to think I owed that on a car 

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2 minutes ago, Longcock said:

The car i use mostly at the moment is a toyota avensis 2.0 d4d 2005 with over 200000 miles i paid  £110 for it . It stood for about a year before I got it the previous owner had it from nearly new all he did was serviced in it still has it's original clutch with no issues as it was only used for work he worked on the roads so always had to travel on motorways the only reason he replaced it is because it had 2 snapped springs. I use it for school runs 40 miles per day and work also towing my caravan and sometimes use an A frame it's ideal for me at the moment I don't think a hybrid would cut the mustard for me even if I had  £30.000 wich I haven't and would hate to think I owed that on a car 

Will I lose money? 

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2 hours ago, Longcock said:

You have to remember I live in a different world I never ever even consider spending 10s of thousands of pounds on cars I spend hundreds then sometimes when I've had my use 1 to 6 year's I'll sell for more often than not more than I paid so quotes from magazine's are pretty useless to me it's a different world to mine

No we don't. You have to remember that for the vast majority of people depreciation is an important factor whether one is buying new or buying used.

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29 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

No we don't. You have to remember that for the vast majority of people depreciation is an important factor whether one is buying new or buying 

14 hours ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

As regards cost, it depends what you compare them with. Toyota hybrids are all automatics, so to provide a fair compsrison, they should be compared with automatic versions of either petrol or diesel models.  Certainly when compared to diesel automatics, the cost difference narrows.

Well I obviously didn't literally mean different world  Anyway I am starting to think some of you are hybrid salesmen trying to win me with facts and figures .can anyone remember when we were told to purchase diesel cars this is like history repeating it's self any comments? 

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I for one have never owned a hybrid, and when we replace our i20 later this year, the replacement will probably be another petrol.

As regards hybrids, Ford, aside from their new Kuga which will come in hybrid and plug-in hybrid forms as well as diesel and petrol, will also be producing hybrid versions of the Focus and Fiesta, and a plug-in hybrid Explorer. Honda's next generation Jazz, due next year, will be offered as a hybrid only. We shall continue to see more hybrids coming from car manufacturers.

Diesels have nothing to do with the topic subject, so please keep on subject.

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You don't get it do you? 

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Nothing 'to get'. The subject of the topic is hybrids - not diesels, and not some conspiracy to get everyone to buy something they don't want.

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