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On 12/5/2021 at 2:26 PM, jred said:

Ordered mine start of August with expected delivery in Nov, that then got changed to Jan. But build started end of October and I got left factory notification on 5th November, so hopefully it’s on the same boat! 

So mine arrived in the UK this week and will be at the dealer by end of December, placed order end of July so essentially a 5 month wait, if that helps anyone on lead times (and that was with a two month delay)

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Toyota website shows the estimated delivery times for  the new orders now...   33 weeks for silver colour AWD excel  and 13 weeks for pearl white 2WD.. 42 weeks for adventure...  I guess its another marketing strategy 

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Not known which plants are affected, but see:

 

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6 hours ago, atartan said:

Toyota website shows the estimated delivery times for  the new orders now...   33 weeks for silver colour AWD excel  and 13 weeks for pearl white 2WD.. 42 weeks for adventure...  I guess its another marketing strategy 

???? Marketing strategy to not supply cars??? The 2wd versions are less complex, less electronics, less semiconductors. The Adventure has more options including the sunroof which seems to be suffering from supply issues. 

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58 minutes ago, Flatcoat said:

???? Marketing strategy to not supply cars??? The 2wd versions are less complex, less electronics, less semiconductors. The Adventure has more options including the sunroof which seems to be suffering from supply issues. 

I work in IT and I don't believe in semiconductors shortage. Its a lie.. We order thousands of servers full of microchips and we have no issue.. Car companies do not want to pay the premium for microchips...  They are used to getting cheap parts and selling with high profit..

They can find the supply for the front electric motor but not for the rear ??? why ?  I don't believe adding a second electric motor should extend the delivery time by 20 weeks ... I guess Toyota's profit is higher with 2wd version and they want to make sure people  order that by offering shorter delivery times. They have the opportunity to increase their profit and that's what they are doing..

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The extract from an article done by Carwow in the first part of this year illustrates why the IT industry has no shortage of semi conductors:

"As everyone stopped buying cars at the start of the pandemic, orders for the chips from car manufacturers dropped suddenly. At the same time, tech firms were buying chips left, right, and centre. These include phone and laptop manufacturers, and perhaps most notably Sony with its never-ending demand for the new PlayStation 5.

When carmakers were ready to gear up production, they found themselves at the back of the queue for these microchips. Microchip factories take up to six months to re-start production of specific types of chip, leaving carmakers facing severe delays in their supply chain."

Plus storms in the US affecting factories, and a semiconductor factory fire in Japan added to the issues.

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Interesting to hear about servers. We are buying our servers and laptops from HP and for the last few months it is around 4 months lead time. On another note, in September I was trying to buy new AVR Marantz NR1711 and it is out of stock everywhere, official suppliers told me that earliest expected stock is April 2022, so got SR7015. White household goods are affected as well.

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2 minutes ago, Rav4ster said:

Interesting to hear about servers. We are buying our servers and laptops from HP and for the last few months it is around 4 months lead time. On another note, in September I was trying to buy new AVR Marantz NR1711 and it is out of stock everywhere, official suppliers told me that earliest expected stock is April 2022, so got SR7015. White household goods are affected as well.

I work for one of the companies that build cloud datacenters. We buy servers and had no issue. We also started buying more since Covid started. We do pay the premium though. I guess cloud companies in the front of the queue and their demand is increasing more  than ever. 

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2 hours ago, atartan said:

I work in IT and I don't believe in semiconductors shortage. Its a lie.. We order thousands of servers full of microchips and we have no issue.. Car companies do not want to pay the premium for microchips...  They are used to getting cheap parts and selling with high profit..

They can find the supply for the front electric motor but not for the rear ??? why ?  I don't believe adding a second electric motor should extend the delivery time by 20 weeks ... I guess Toyota's profit is higher with 2wd version and they want to make sure people  order that by offering shorter delivery times. They have the opportunity to increase their profit and that's what they are doing..

So every manufacturer in the world of cars, white goods, central heating controls and so on is lieing….. yep. I suggest you talk to my brother who builds very specialist bespoke electronic control systems and machinery for clients such as crossrail and Nissan and ask him why his workshop is full of unfinished equipment. Or ask the contractor currently building me 33 houses and tells me the lead-in time for the drainage pump is 12 months. You may be a specialist in your field but appear to know nothing about manufacturing and rationing supplies. 

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So I also work in IT, and in October had to cancel an order for Cisco servers in favour of Dell, as Cisco lead time skyrocketed directly due to the chip shortage.

 

To be fair we are not a volume buyer so perhaps that was a factor.

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It is unbelievable that every car manufacturer is telling the same story about shortages and at the same time trying NOT to sell cars. If they had the parts they would sell whatever they could as quickly as they could.

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I am talking from my own experience and we ordered 10 billions worth of IT equipment in last year and we had no issues. The company I am working for is not even a big  player in Cloud business. We do order Cisco gear as well and we had no problem and neither with Juniper.

 

And for Toyota , They had the worst year and couldn't make cars .. This is the reason their production number is close to 10 million.

 

I would agree that most industries didn't expect the demand for 2021 as they thought Covid effect would last longer. If they didn't order their parts in timely manner, that's their planning mistake. They should be ready to pay the premium and get the parts. Where I work we build datacenters in 2 years advance and all the contracts are in place with  the supplier.

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17 minutes ago, ernieb said:

It is unbelievable that every car manufacturer is telling the same story about shortages and at the same time trying NOT to sell cars. If they had the parts they would sell whatever they could as quickly as they could.

Toyota web page says 11 weeks for 2WD Rav4 models.. This is not much longer than what it was before the so-called "microchip shortage"  It seems that They can't just find  the part for the rear motor.... and US guys seem to get their car much quicker.. I guess they missed the BBC news related part shortage.

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And also my friend told me about the toilet paper shortage last year and turkey shortage for this year. Be ready to stock them. Neither I believed.

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5 minutes ago, atartan said:

Toyota web page says 11 weeks for 2WD Rav4 models.. This is not much longer than what it was before the so-called "microchip shortage"  It seems that They can't just find  the part for the rear motor.... and US guys seem to get their car much quicker.. I guess they missed the BBC news related part shortage.

Sounds like you need to offer your expertise up to Toyota. You clearly know the answers. 

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17 minutes ago, Flatcoat said:

Sounds like you need to offer your expertise up to Toyota. You clearly know the answers. 

I think their sales department is doing great work.. More cars will be sold this year than ever. I am going out to order a turkey for Christmas now. There were news about shortage of turkeys. I am yet to finish the Toilet papers I stocked last year.

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4 hours ago, atartan said:

I think their sales department is doing great work.. More cars will be sold this year than ever. I am going out to order a turkey for Christmas now. There were news about shortage of turkeys. I am yet to finish the Toilet papers I stocked last year.

So it was you who caused all the problems with toilet paper shortages? 😊

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It's because many people have (Or had) lots of extra money from being in lockdown, and there being a shortage of second hand cars - That's pushed the people into buying New cars instead. It also helps that the new TNGA Toyota hybrids are finally outright better than plain-ICE cars (At least for me with the Mk4 Yaris!)

Frostyballs is dead right about the 'chip shortage' tho' - It's just because the companies that cut their orders found their production slots being assigned to other companies, mostly in the IT sector. The IT sector have had a bumper year, so much so that even with the chip production swinging their way they can't keep up with demand as record numbers of phones, tablets, laptops etc. are being sold.

For instance, pre-covid Dell had a very gloomy forecast as year-on-year sales of their hardware was dropping; The pandemic has been very good for them!

 

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Could someone please post a link to delivery times as I cannot find it 

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46 minutes ago, Firecycle said:

Could someone please post a link to delivery times as I cannot find it 

Not sure if this what you want but go to the car configurator and  at step 3 it will give you an estimated delivery time as below.

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Cyber, agree with some of your comment above however…. ask anyone in the industry and it is the shortage of NEW cars that has pushed up demand for used, not vice versa as you infer. 

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4 minutes ago, Flatcoat said:

it is the shortage of NEW cars that has pushed up demand for used, not vice versa as you infer. 

Yes. Increased demand for used cars as some aren't willing or able to wait for new car deliveries due to more limited production (semiconductor shortages, etc).

 

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1 hour ago, Firecycle said:

Could someone please post a link to delivery times as I cannot find it 

As Roger said, but you have to log in first. 

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44 minutes ago, FROSTYBALLS said:

Yes. Increased demand for used cars as some aren't willing or able to wait for new car deliveries due to more limited production (semiconductor shortages, etc).

 

Also a backlog built up of new drivers during lockdown now coming through and wanting cars. I was lucky and got my lad his first car just before covid cost £3000. Now 2 years older and I see same car/year/mileage on Autotrader asking for £4500!!

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I have now had a look at delivery times and adding that to when I ordered mine would make it 44 weeks if it is delivered in August when my dealer suggests it will, taking 33 weeks on its own would put my delivery mid May from when I ordered it. So I am hoping that it is indeed delivered mid May.

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