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Yaris MK2, two different cluster instruments - reason/rule?


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Hi,

I found two different cluster instruments in MK2, electronic one and "old school" one (gauges). I understand that due to facelift reason of MK2 in 2009 Yaris was produced with not electronic looking one like previously but... how it comes I can see adverts of 2010 cars with still electronic one while car has already facelifted 6 gears etc. I'm lost in here, anyone can explain please the rule of cluster instrument? Which model had electronic, which not? Thanks in advance.

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different trim specs, the more sporty cars got the upgraded analogue gauges with analogue rev counter, and some base models got bog standard analogue gauges there are different versions of the digital gauges too

if you are looking for an automatic avoid the mk2 Yaris

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There were two facelifts, one around '58' and the other around '59' reg. Easiest way to tell is by looking at the rear light cluster. The indicators were orange on the 1st facelift and clear on the 2nd. By the 2nd facelift, most if not all had analogue dials. IIRC the 1.8 version came only with analogue dials.

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2009 was the beginning of the dashboard 'switchover' as it were - Before that, all the cars had digital dashboards except the 1.8SR.

2009-2010 has a weird mix (It feels like whatever they had left in the factory got installed in the car :laugh: ) as you can get cars that had all the new stuff like 1.33 engine and 6 speed gearbox but still with the digital dash, but also same with analogue dash, but you got fewer and fewer digital dashes in the wild going from 2009 to 2010 and by 2011 onwards the digital dashes had all been used up and it's all analogue from then on.

The reason I went for a 2009/2010 Mk2 was specifically because that was the only year with the weird combination of digital dash, 100HP 1.33 engine, band b tax (£30!) and 6 speed gearbox - Alas if I knew what a dog the early 1.33 was I would have gotten a 5-speed 2008 one and swallowed the 5x higher car tax :wacko:

 

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8 hours ago, flash22 said:

if you are looking for an automatic avoid the mk2 Yaris

Can you please say few bits why? I heard two stories: CVT and something like "robot" --> manual gearbox with device for changing gears. I don't know if that's real story, but if so I cannot see problems with CVT but I wouldn't touch "robot" one.

 

  

6 hours ago, 1.33 said:

Easiest way to tell is by looking at the rear light cluster.

Thank you, that's really helpful tip

  

4 hours ago, Cyker said:

2009-2010 has a weird mix

Thank you for explanation, very helpful.

 

Now I know how to search for my next car, it was worth asking, thanks 😁

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The Mk2 auto models are not CVT, they use multi mode MMT gearbox which is an automated manual. They are very unreliable indeed and cost an absolute fortune to repair when the mechanism fails - which it will. Unless of course the previous owner has had to have done. Nevertheless, the 06 - 11 Yaris Mk2 is best avoided in automatic form. The Mk3 from 61 reg onwards uses a CVT auto box, and all Hybrid versions of the MK3 are automatic CVT.

I owned a 2006 MK2 manual transmission 1.3 for 7 years and it was pretty reliable, but the clutch was finnicky and often suffered from clutch drag even with the clutch pedal mashed into the carpet - but I think by the 2010 model year they had corrected that issue.

2010 1.33 engines with 6 speed box are renowned for burning oil when they get up over 70K miles - a common issue caused by Toyota using piston rings that end up allowing oil to get past them and get burnt. That issue I dont believe affected the 3 cylinder 1.0 engines in the Mk2.

Digital dashes were my favourite part on the MK1 and Mk2 to be honest, and I preferred them over the later analogue dials seen in 2009 - 2011 models.

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2 hours ago, realecoworldunreal said:

but if so I cannot see problems with CVT but I wouldn't touch "robot" one.

That's about it. At this time (2024) the MK2 MMT automatics are likely to be a casino gamble (you'll probably lose). The MK3 CVT are probably OK and hybrids pretty solid. 

The asking prices will/should generally follow that trend.

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I did own a Mk 2 (2010), dreaded MMT with the D4D engine. Excellent engine let down by that abomination of a transmission.

Sorry, rambling!

It was, I think, TR spec. and had a conventional display, e.g. speedometer. I think, at the time, it was the only spec. to not have that other funky display.

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As above all Mk2's are MMT, the digi dashes are very old VFD technology failures are becoming common

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7 hours ago, flash22 said:

As above all Mk2's are MMT, the digi dashes are very old VFD technology failures are becoming common

I remember back in 2004 when mother got her first Yaris, a T reg 1.0 CDX (That I went on to own) and the first time I sat in it, and looked down that blacked out tunnel in the centre of the dash (with the ignition off) and wondered where the instruments were. Only once the ignition was turned on and I thought it looked so futuristic for its time with that VFD , compared to old fashioned analogue dials most other cars had back in 1999 when the Yaris was launched. It reminded me of my uncle's old Astra GTE which he had in the late 80s which also used that type of dash. But for it to appear in, what was for the time, a run of the mill, shopping trolley on wheels, bought by little old ladies, I thought was quite neat, and much more advanced than the old Starlet it replaced.

Turn time forward by 12 years to 2011, and they go back in time to the old fashioned layout of analogue dials in front of the driver in the Mk3, which to be honest, I thought was always a retrograde step, but I suppose Toyota must have had their reasons for adopting the more traditional layout for the MK3.

Took me some getting used to again going from owning a Mk1 for 5 years and a Mk2 for 7 years, to having to look in front of the steering wheel again for the speedo.

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Same, but I just couldn't adapt! That was one of the big reasons why I skipped the Mk3. I like to think the e-mails I wrote to Toyota persuaded them to put a HUD in the Mk4, as the biggest reason why I have one is because of the HUD, otherwise the superior interior of the Jazz hybrid would probably have swung it :laugh:  (And then I'd be :fear: about the brake system failures that Honda are still trying to avoid doing a recall for :eek: )

 

BTW is the Mk1 and Mk2 digi dashes VFD? I thought they were ELD! I'd found them pretty reliable, never seen one fail!

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mk1 and mk 2 are VFD the later mk2's had the Analogue gauges and LCD with the amber backlight

Mk1 digi dash 1 piece glass vacuum display - it is the capacitors that tend to go bad then the high voltage to the display, old age and dry joints

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1 hour ago, flash22 said:

mk1 and mk 2 are VFD the later mk2's had the Analogue gauges and LCD with the amber backlight

Mk1 digi dash 1 piece glass vacuum display - it is the capacitors that tend to go bad then the high voltage to the display, old age and dry joints

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Was that from a LHD later model Mk1  that pic, It's odd that the fuel gauge is at the red end of the RPM gauge, thats the opposite way round to the one I had. I know they changed the design of the VFD from the Jap built to the French built Mk1 but that pic seems odd.

below pics:

top - Early MK1 dash (my car - 1999 T reg) 

bottom - Mk2 (2006 model also my car)

 

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More than likely an LHD dash it's only a pic used for reference

I have my own archived pic's with notes

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