Auris Hybrid Road tax £125+ in 2025?

[solero]

The auris hybrid co2 emissions are 87g. Currently £0 road tax.

The auris 1.2T petrol emissions are 110g. Pre-april 2017 models paying £20 road tax.

If I am reading the below correctly, Auros Hybrid road tax will go up to at least £125 in April 2025.

Is this correct?

If so, does this mean that the pre-april 2017 auris 1.2T petrol will be cheaper to tax than its equivalent hybrid model (1.2T remaining around £20).

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-tax-for-electric-and-low-emissions-vehicles

Alternatively fuelled vehicles (AFVs)

The £10 annual discount for AFVs and hybrids will be removed, and the rate you will pay will depend on when the vehicle was first registered. If the vehicle was:

• registered before 1 April 2017 - this rate will depend on the vehicle’s CO2 emissions (check the current rates for this vehicle)

• registered on or after 1 April 2017 - you will pay the standard rate (this is £190 for 2024 but is subject to change for 2025)

[FROSTYBALLS]

Depends whether there are further changes in the budget. New government may have a different slant on things, especially as regards taxes .....

[mcntosh]

Auris hybrids registered after 1st April 2017 will pay the standard rate. Hybrids registered before then will pay the band B rate, which is currently £20. There will be no difference between pre-2017 hybrids and pre-2017 petrols. 

[Cyker]

Not sure where you're getting £125 from!

The Auris 1.8 hybrid will either be £20 or £190 depending on whether it was registered pre or post 2017.

As mcntosh says, effectively the hybrid and 1.2T will be the same to tax now.

It's a bit of a kick in the proverbials to those that went the extra mile, so to speak, to get a car in the now departing A band, but £20 isn't too onerous (My friend, who got an Auris rather than another Audi specifically because of that, was really hacked off when this news came out until I pointed out my car's tax was over 8 times that despite being more efficient and having lower emissions and, unlike his, rising every year! I can't believe I'll be paying over £200 for car tax soon if they keep this £10 rise every year BS... Even my Subaru-owning friend is a bit miffed as the tax is slowly climbing up to the level it was when he got rid of his old Subaru!)

 

[solero]

I got it from"check the current rates for this vehicle" as per the screenshot. 

If it is £20 thats bearable for hybrids.

[Cyker]

Ahh, I see - FYI that table is only for the first year of post-2017 cars!

Not sure why they added this needless complication, but after you buy a new car, that years' tax is completely different as per the table, then after that it's the flat rate plus the premium car tax, if applicable.

 

[mcntosh]

36 minutes ago, Cyker said:

Ahh, I see - FYI that table is only for the first year of post-2017 cars!

Not sure why they added this needless complication, but after you buy a new car, that years' tax is completely different as per the table, then after that it's the flat rate plus the premium car tax, if applicable.

 

Possibly to encourage new car sales although seems a minuscule saving in the grand scheme of things.

I'll be sticking with my ageing but £20 / yr hybrid and hoping it continues to be low maintenance.

[TonyHSD]

Ah well,

I can live with £20 a year tax.
I have saved so much money from £0 tax a year until now, diy services, smaller tyres that I switched 4 years ago and of course the high average mpg and no monthly payments. 
Difficult to find an alternative to this car.  
 

[solero]

I had another dig and revised read. Looks like it would be £10 at todays tax rates.

[Cyker]

How do you figure that?

 

[solero]

As they are removing band a for tc59 alternative fuel vehicles ,they will move to band b which is £10.

[solero]

1 hour ago, solero said:

As they are removing band a for tc59 alternative fuel vehicles ,they will move to band b which is £10.

Alternatively fuelled vehicles (AFVs)

The £10 annual discount for AFVs and hybrids will be removed, and the rate you will pay will depend on when the vehicle was first registered. If the vehicle was:

• registered before 1 April 2017 - this rate will depend on the vehicle’s CO2 emissions (check the current rates for this vehicle)

 

So the current £10 discount will be removed. Which means you pay the full rate of £10 at todays rates.

[Cyker]

Ah, right, so that £10 discount only applies to post-2017 vehicles, e.g. this year's VED is £190, but hybrid and EV people 'only' pay £180.

It doesn't apply to the first year's car tax for post-2017, as the table explicitly says what pays what, but applies to the flat-rate tax from year 2 onwards, and it never applied to pre-2017 cars, as they were taxed purely on rated CO2 emissions.

So e.g. Tony's pre-2017 hybrid Auris will go from £0 to £20 and my post-2017 hybrid Yaris goes from £180 to £190 (Or possibly £200 when they raise it again...!  ), and bper's 1.2T Auris stays at £20.

 

 

[Red_Corolla]

My wife will have to start paying £20 for her non-hybrid Fiat but, like Tony says, it's no biggie compared with the cost of changing to a newer car.

What I find more interesting is that EVs lose their exemption from the 'expensive car' tax, which many of them will fall foul of with the limit set at 40k. A net £3k increase in the cost of replacing your old car with an electric one. It's a significant blow to the incentivisation of migrating away from combustion engines (whether you happen to support that agenda or not).

[solero]

Yes i had a diesel from new on which i saved nearly £2k in road tax. However, ULEZ put a premature end to that, and the auris petrol 1.2t replaced it. Modern diesels are just too complex and troublesome.

Im surprised they still give old diesels the low emission road tax. 

[Cyker]

IIRC they were going to move all diesels up one tax band regardless of if it was Euro 1 or Euro 6. Not sure what's happened with that so far.

Plus as you say, they get ULEZ'd up the wazoo so they get their pound of flesh regardless.

The irony is modern diesels are only complex because of all the emissions control stuff bolted on! But that has lowered their reliability considerably compared to older ones that don't have that stuff.

The £40k thing applying to EVs is really stupid and will be a major disincentive, as nearly all EVs are/will cost £40k+ - I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time they're able to make a solid-state Battery Yaris EV, it will *start* at 40k due to inflation and materials cost.

Private purchases of new EVs is already minuscule; The people saying EV sales are on the up are hiding the fact that almost all of that is to fleets and businesses. When that extra tax kicks in it's going to decimate what little private uptake there is...

 

[Guest]

When some of today's V.E.D. costs are compared to 1962 it's not too bad. This is the disc in my, 1.1 litre highly polluting (London ULEZ charges exempt!😂) Morris Minor. £6-10s-0d equates to about £175 today.

[Guest]

Just realised it's £16, not £6, Specsavers?🙄 About equivalent  to £430 today.

[Wooster]

On 8/16/2024 at 10:40 AM, Slartybartfast said:

19 hours ago, Slartybartfast said:

£16, not £6, Specsavers?🙄 About equivalent  to £430 today....

 

Not sure how you arrived at the £430.  According to bankofengland.co.uk/inflation-calculator , £16 in 1963 money is about £280 today.

[mpm235]

On 8/14/2024 at 7:41 AM, FROSTYBALLS said:

Depends whether there are further changes in the budget. New government may have a different slant on things, especially as regards taxes .....

I'm not going to say what I think about the new governments enthusiasm for taxes. Because I'm afraid Two Tier Keir Stalin's thought police will come and get me......

[mpm235]

They are going to bang plenty of tax on petrol / diesel as well....socialism is here, back to the 1970's we go

[Paul john]

1 minute ago, mpm235 said:

They are going to bang plenty of tax on petrol / diesel as well....socialism is here, back to the 1970's we go

Probbly not announced until october budget so dont panic or speculate in August 

[Rhymes with Paris]

18 minutes ago, mpm235 said:

They are going to bang plenty of tax on petrol / diesel as well....socialism is here, back to the 1970's we go

Wait until we get 1970s style power cuts, this time not due to miners strikes, but the lemming rush to unachievable net zero.

Still, it will hopefully reduce the purported less than 2% of global emissions that the UK produces.

And we can keep buying plastic tat produced in China with cheap power from coal fired power stations.

 

[Hadrian1]

It's not something i worry about too much. You pay what you have to pay.

However much it is.

[TonyHSD]

I actually like sociclalism or even communist regimes, I wouldn’t mind if the only cars we can buy are Corolla’s , like back in te days were lada’s in the ex soviet countries 🧑🏻‍🔧🛠🧰

judt kidding 😅

I don’t understand politics and don’t care about it. 👍