Does Drunken Consent = Rape?

[cfc1]

Some guys struggle to stand up.. never mind get it/keep it up. (so i'm led to believe)

[Calisto]

Bloody men eh? us girls are usually really up for it when a bit tipsy and the men just cant hack it lol and go all limp.

Where is the fun in that ? eh ?

[LORD_ED]

I was going to say Ben!       

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Good point.. well made

Sleazy Ben and Sleazy Ed

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sleazy ed and sleazy ben havenet been a about for a bit , but i feel we need tyo be out again

a ine from road trip, if ur too drunk to remember it it never reaklly happened

ill wait for a flameing now

[mad welshman]

this case should never had got to court! it absoulutly disgusting the way the man was treated.

i could have taken loads of girls for raping me if the same rules aplied.

woken next to a few mystery lady's in my time.

baz

[LORD_ED]

i woken up to a few things who said theye were female, but in morning looked more like animal

[Bibbs]

I was going to say Ben!       

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Good point.. well made

Sleazy Ben and Sleazy Ed

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sleazy ed and sleazy ben havenet been a about for a bit , but i feel we need tyo be out again

a ine from road trip, if ur too drunk to remember it it never reaklly happened

ill wait for a flameing now

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I think the Sleezy Brothers are funny as we just don't care ..

"Would you like a drink"

"no thanks"

"Don't think you heard me, I said you look fat in that dress"

[LORD_ED]

think last time the sleazy brothers were out we did actually pull, howvere we didnt want to

[Calisto]

think last time the sleazy brothers were out we did actually pull, howvere we didnt want to

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you poor poor boys. :group-cuddles:

[Bibbs]

***** nice friends....... and did you ??????? ;)

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I refuse to comment further ..

[Calisto]

***** nice friends....... and did you ??????? ;)

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I refuse to comment further ..

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lol.

[Bibbs]

think last time the sleazy brothers were out we did actually pull, howvere we didnt want to

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you poor poor boys. :group-cuddles:

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Why when you totally insult a girl does she think it's a come-on ..

[Calisto]

think last time the sleazy brothers were out we did actually pull, howvere we didnt want to

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you poor poor boys. :group-cuddles:

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Why when you totally insult a girl does she think it's a come-on ..

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because she would be desperate lol how the heck do I know.

[LORD_ED]

u syaing they only came onto us as they were desperate im hurt

[MIP]

i woken up to a few things who said theye were female, but in morning looked more like animal

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Was that the night I saw you in venom in thatcham?

[LORD_ED]

venom has some hotties in it if u like 14year olds

[mad welshman]

oi !!!! gary gliter!!!! behave lol

[Matthew_McNally]

and now this is so off topic, we cant even see the original thread from here. :D

lets reel it in a little folks, and try to stick on topic please

[Dan H]

fingers crossed, but this might make 'ladettes' wake up and realise that its all very funny that they're plasted blah blah blah, but if they can't walk because they've been ****** by some random hopeful, then the law aint gonna protect them.

Call me old fashioned, but i like my ladies to be just that. Ladies. Not eye's half-closed staggering lambrini $lut$ dragging attention to them selves.

Besides, the girls i know who get that wasted, only do it to get attention. Now they've got the attention (allbeit from a wierdo), they play the rape card. Pathetic.

[Avensis wagon]

To the above I would say that wearing revealing clothes and getting drunk does not mean that it's OK to be raped walking home or when somehow tricked out of the pub. Most guys get away with vomitting their pizza, or these days £80 on top. I'm sure that a lot of young women go over the top dress-wise and drink too much before they grow out of it. A violation second only to murder seems a hard, or rather savagely brutal way to pay for an indiscretion which I would not consider 'asking for it'. 15 years from now my daughter may be wearing her best grown up clothes walking across a playing field after some alcohol experimentation. In a good society I believe she's entitled to understanding and assistance, not savagery.

I actually consider it yukky for TOTAL strangers to jump into bed, especially when legless. Don't go home with strangers. Never been into it myself -- it's not so that every bloke tries to bed everything he can whenever he can. I could never understand my mates who did. A long time ago I was walking home in the same direction as a woman I met in the pub. Opposite a dark park this stranger told me she was into simulated rape. Boy did I get out of there fast! Guys have got to protect themselves too -- he who puts it away stays free to play another day, preferably with some emotional ties.

Both people in the case described in this thread did something very stupid and low class -- guys can be low class too, i.e. it's not all the woman's fault. Conversely, in ambiguous situations (best avoided) like this, it's totally wrong that it goes to court and brands the guy who was also possibly guilty only of indiscretion, like the scantily clad legless female. Score = nil : nil and a tradgedy for both.

Is the debate back on target yet?

[Caz SR]

This is a valuable contribution to the debate Avensis Wagon. Particularly this point as it touches upon my original arguement;

Guys have got to protect themselves too -- he who puts it away stays free to play another day, preferably with some emotional ties.

[Karma Supra]

Always use protection, a false name should suffice....

[Avensis wagon]

"People became concerned about her (state of drunkenness) and Ryairi Dougal, 20, from County Donegal - a part-time security guard at the college - was asked to escort her to her flat."

So hang on -- her friends ask Mr security guy to escort her to safety because she's so obviously well out of it to the point she couldn't stagger to her room unaided, and the more sober person chosen to help her just happens to "do it" with her in the corridor of all places. Frankly, if she draped herself all over me (a rare occurance) it would be morally very wrong, and somehow I have to say that there's a lot of doubt over the draping. In fact, there's doubt over whether she had the ability to drape. Perhaps the guy deserves the suspicion.

Actually, there's no perhaps. As Charis Yaris said, the more sober of the two...

But it's difficult to prove on those terms.

[DaveSR]

Looking at it another way........

Don't you guys think that this news story has only come out because of the new 24 hour drinking licence law!

I don't think it would have made the papers otherwise, as im sure this stuff goes on all the time !