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Regards Dave

hi folks

well ,dropped off the rav to colchester toyota this afternoon

i have a 58 reg yaris 'tr' for courtesy car for couple of days....not my choice of car!!

it only has or did have.....'7' miles on the clock when i collected it,feels horrible though (no offence to yaris owners as my mum owns one)but its soooo light and put my foot down and nothing really happens.

i just prefer a heavier kind of car & 4 wheel drive

as usual staff were ( oh its him again),bothered (not).i asked if engineers had access to you tube so i could show them vid we have all seen on here.

but got a swift but quietly spoken 'no' as apparently the computers are 'watched' by 'head office'

funny thing is there was a large informative 'poster' on service depts wall,which read something like 'we do our very best to ensure we give our customers to best service we possibly can,if you feel like you need more assistance,please ask a member of staff'.......

so we shall see how things turn out ,either tomorow or during weekend ,hope the noise will be eliminated or i may consider taking it further if noise persists........hey ho

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hi folks

well got the rav4 back this evening,water pump replaced,brake check valve replaced,(allegedly).

you can only trust them to do what they say they are going to do ( as you cant watch them work)

but alas no change at all,still same noises,only now i have a creaky clutch as well,'eeee','eeeee' as i depress and release clutch pedal at standstill with engine running.

darn and botheration!!!!!

i was also 'told' that if i decide to take problems further,and they get 'area' service manager involved(whoever that is),if they strip engine to find the noise and no fault is found,...i WILL be billed for all labour time wasted,which could cost me ££££££'s.

can they do that if i have toyota extended manufacturers guarantee?

i almost felt threatened at this point,not to complain anymore

i was quietly fuming inside,but they did say'has it ever missed a beat'....answer 'no'

apparently they are aware that d4d's do make this noise 'its what its supposed to do'.....yeah right,time will tell

if anbody else knows of anybody who has solved 'the strange engine sound' let me know please

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I would ask to see the area service manager and let him listen. I still think it is something resonating and you are hearing the affect of a pressure change or a valve opening (like you can sometimes hear a tap groan if the water pressure is high). Your stance with the area manager is that you are only interested in curing the noise as you know other similar vehicles do not do it. In this case you are putting the onus on him to decide what needs to be done under the terms of the warranty and not telling them to strip the engine for which you can be billed. If he thinks the engine should be stripped its up to him but let him make the decision. I personally don't think it is and would investigate the issues above, e.g.;

coolant pressure cap

EGR valve

fuel rail pressure and relief valve might be worth a look too

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What's the latest rambler ? need to get to the bottom of this as strange noises never sit well :huh: .

I would investigate all of Anchormans suggestions myself but my noise is very infrequent so would be difficult to track down.

Interestingly though one of our work Mitsubishi L200s also makes this noise, I think it's the DiD engine and has only done about 2000 miles from new, but being a site vehicle never really gets up to speed and lives a lot of its life on green lane type tracks. :unsure:

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What's the latest rambler ? need to get to the bottom of this as strange noises never sit well :huh: .

I would investigate all of Anchormans suggestions myself but my noise is very infrequent so would be difficult to track down.

Interestingly though one of our work Mitsubishi L200s also makes this noise, I think it's the DiD engine and has only done about 2000 miles from new, but being a site vehicle never really gets up to speed and lives a lot of its life on green lane type tracks. :unsure:

My 4.2 had a noise, similar to what you describe, seriously have you tried spraying WD40 etc where you believe the noise is coming from :unsure:

I did and it instantly stopped, only to come back again 10 mins later, but at least i knew it was nothing serious, never did cure it tho.. :thumbsup:

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ok chaps

got the rav back from colchester toyota and guess what.....'nowt wrong' was the verdict!!,just a wierd noise that a few unlucky d4d owners have to put up with.

i have to admit i did explain that a few members on this forum had similar problems and were keen to hear my results,

but that may have backfired on me as they almost used this as an excuse to say 'yours isnt the only one,forget about it,its the nature of the beast'

years ago i was so into cars,i would pull them apart and work on them at weekends and as i worked within a mile of where i live ,the car maybe it bits for days ,but back then a mk2 escort was simple to work on,over the years as my cars got newer and more complex and nowadays i just look under bonnett and all i see is engine cover and computers...i dare'nt touch it.

now i commute to work i need my rav to start every day without fail and have no problems (so far its given me just that, apart from some strange noises which i put up with)

the toyota service dept staff,basicly said ' has it ever missed a beat since you've had it'...answer....no

their engineer diagnosed it as something similar to a bus or lorry relieving air on air brakes when you hear the 'piiissss' sound,its something the engine 'needs to do' and nothing to worry about.

so,now i have used it for a few days after work was done.....nothing has changed,same noises.....apart from now i have a creaky clutch as well for which i taking it back to them to sort shortly...RRRRRRRRRRR

i was however told by service staff,that if i decide to take things further, and ask for engine to be stripped to find fault ,i could be billed for ££££££'s if no fault is found.....yikes

anchorman has given his verdict a few threads back from this,i may ask to meet 'area service manager' to discuss my troubles with him / her.

i do stilll feel a little 'fobbed off' by them,unfortunatly folks i dont trust myself to 'go under the bonnett',as hav'nt a clue ,although i may try releasing the coolant cap when 'noise' sounds...very slowly to relieve pressure as anchorman's suggested.

keep watching

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hi all

ive emailed the service dept at my local dealership,and today i had a phone call from the service manager saying 'ok enough is enough,lets get to the bottom of this'

i thought 'finally i may be getting through to them',so i am taking my car over to them on mon feb 10th,for them to....look......listen.....ponder.....and maybe even,if need be strip engine to find the source of .....'the noise'.

not that its ever missed a beat,to this day....i am impressed,ive only ever spent money on making cars just how i want them,ive never spent any money on faults on my rav4,only when bits have worn out,tires,brakes etc.

i will keep this topic posted with progress.....heres hoping

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Nice one Rambler.

I took mine in to Toyota today to check the belt tension and it was OK. Mechanic said he had a woman in last week with the same noise but couldn't find out what was causing it.

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Nice one Rambler.

I took mine in to Toyota today to check the belt tension and it was OK. Mechanic said he had a woman in last week with the same noise but couldn't find out what was causing it.

I keep getting you two mixed up when it comes to discussing your noises :rolleyes:

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Nice one Rambler.

I took mine in to Toyota today to check the belt tension and it was OK. Mechanic said he had a woman in last week with the same noise but couldn't find out what was causing it.

I keep getting you two mixed up when it comes to discussing your noises :rolleyes:

I'm the one without a clue how to put the noise on You Tube. My Rav was being a bit shy yesterday as well, the mechanic and I stood and waited for 5 mins but it didn't want to do the noise :angry:

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This is one of the difficulties when it comes to having to use a garage which is not a specialist but more an informed generalist in dealing with a variety of cars and associated mechanicals. If you think of how many different Toyota cars there have been in the last 15 years, and then the number of different versions/engines etc etc etc, then the mechanic cannot be a specialist.

The garage I use specialise in particular cars, and for example, have a lot of experience in the Toyota 3SGTE engine - no matter what car it is fitted in.....Celica/GT4/MR2/ RAV4. Equally they have mechanics who do a lot of work on Skyline engines.

When I spoke to a local Toyota mechanic, he could not believe that a 3SGTE engine would fit in a RAV.

So, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that one needs a specialist to source the problem. The advantage of an area manager, as has been said, is the chance of him/her having come across a similar problem. Its a shame that in this day and age, more information isn't sought via the Internet by dealers. I know that the guys at my garage will look at the internet daily to keep up to speed with things.....

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This is one of the difficulties when it comes to having to use a garage which is not a specialist but more an informed generalist in dealing with a variety of cars and associated mechanicals. If you think of how many different Toyota cars there have been in the last 15 years, and then the number of different versions/engines etc etc etc, then the mechanic cannot be a specialist.

The garage I use specialise in particular cars, and for example, have a lot of experience in the Toyota 3SGTE engine - no matter what car it is fitted in.....Celica/GT4/MR2/ RAV4. Equally they have mechanics who do a lot of work on Skyline engines.

When I spoke to a local Toyota mechanic, he could not believe that a 3SGTE engine would fit in a RAV.

So, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that one needs a specialist to source the problem. The advantage of an area manager, as has been said, is the chance of him/her having come across a similar problem. Its a shame that in this day and age, more information isn't sought via the Internet by dealers. I know that the guys at my garage will look at the internet daily to keep up to speed with things.....

you hit the nail on the head! i could not explain it better.

in the 80s i had a renault 25 turbo diesel and had it in the garage to change the timing belt. next day the whole engine was broken because they forgot the lock the rocker nut. they rebuild the engine but it didn't sound right. according the garage all was fine the timing belt was correctly installed. bear in mind this was an official renault garage with renault bills.

when i had a dead alternator the other day the ANWB (like RAC in the netherlands) towed me to a nearby garage where the guy repaired my alternator at friday evening at 11pm. when he heard the engine running he told me that the timing was wrong. :huh: and fixed it. this guy was a diesel / electro expert and rebuild diesel engines for all major brands. he even had a fuel pomp test bench.

so yes, you have garages and garages and most of the time they are not good at all even if all those grease monkeys are running around in they fancy branded overalls. sad but true.

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Nice one Rambler.

I took mine in to Toyota today to check the belt tension and it was OK. Mechanic said he had a woman in last week with the same noise but couldn't find out what was causing it.

I keep getting you two mixed up when it comes to discussing your noises :rolleyes:

I'm the one without a clue how to put the noise on You Tube. My Rav was being a bit shy yesterday as well, the mechanic and I stood and waited for 5 mins but it didn't want to do the noise :angry:

well niq.xl

putting my 'wierd engine noise' on you tube was good for us all to see / hear,so we could all say ' mine does that',however the toyota dealers i use say that they have no access to internet or 'you tube' on the premises in very stern voices!!!.

i find this very very hard to believe,not a single internet connection in an entire dealership,im sorry but that is b******s....internet is an essential tool these days for all kinds of answers to all sorts of problems,i use it all the time at work.

but no, they have to have rav there and have 'engineers and assesors' there to listen to it doing it.

before they make that all important decision to.....strip the engine,or do what needs doing,or try out some of anchormans suggestions.

anyhow im taking it to them next monday evening for an overnight stay,getting another courtesy car(probably the same yaris) and collecting rav again tuesday eve..or maybe it will be it bits.....we will see

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  • 2 weeks later...
Have you tried putting the steering over in full lock on tickover to see if it is the PS pump going into relief?

hi ,no unfortunatly the noise seems to to be assocciated with quite a few d4d owners accross the country.

maybe even world wide,toyota beleive it to be 'water pumps' under 'belt stress'.

i believe the power steering pump is at the front l/h side of engine bay,but this noise according to anchorman comes from the 'serpentine' belt,one of the major belts on the engine.

i believe him,and may shortly be contacting toyota head office customer services about these so far and as yet unsolved 'noises' my rav makes.

Both the timing belt and the serpentine belt are down that side of the engine. The serpentine belt is under constant spring pressure from a tensioning pulley so although they are capable of making a real racket of a squeal or squeak I don't think it would cause that resonating. The timing belt (which drives the water pump) does have a fixed tensioner and so the belt could get to a level of tension that could cause it to resonate. The question is why it only does it intermittently.

The fact is you have 2 different noises and in getting to the timing cover the serpentine will have to come off. The chances are they will change both belts and the water pump and we won't get to know what caused it if they cure it by doing these.

All the best.

Hi just to point out the cam belt does NOT have a fixed tension as you said, it is hydraulic and keeps tension via a spring/oil/gas set up and to let you know the noise is still there with the aux belt off and the coolant cap off.

Also just to point out the bottle that is fitted to the d4d engine is an internal pressure type so you can just take the cap off hot or cold try it and you will see i am right.

This is an ongoing noise that is being worked on, when there is a cure it will passed onto the masses. B)

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Hi Luke

Thanks for the info regarding the noise. We could have done with you looking in at the time and that would have saved me advising somebody to do it again.

I always try to be very careful about giving advice and in the case of the pressure cap I would suggest that anyone removing one should take great care as introducing atmospheric pressure to a cooling system can cause the coolant to boil instantly with very nasty consequences. Your info regarding the tensioner is correct but the Toyota info insists that you should take care with the D4D pressure cap to avoid being scalded.

In this respect I would reiterate to anyone removing any pressure cap to do it only when cold or to do it very slowly when hot to allow the pressure to reduce gradually. This advice given generally might avoid someone getting hurt if they make a mistake in identifying which is which given that your advice is correct and Toyota have got it wrong.

coolant.pdf

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Hi Luke

Thanks for the info regarding the noise. We could have done with you looking in at the time and that would have saved me advising somebody to do it again.

I always try to be very careful about giving advice and in the case of the pressure cap I would suggest that anyone removing one should take great care as introducing atmospheric pressure to a cooling system can cause the coolant to boil instantly with very nasty consequences. Your info regarding the tensioner is correct but the Toyota info insists that you should take care with the D4D pressure cap to avoid being scalded.

In this respect I would reiterate to anyone removing any pressure cap to do it only when cold or to do it very slowly when hot to allow the pressure to reduce gradually. This advice given generally might avoid someone getting hurt if they make a mistake in identifying which is which given that your advice is correct and Toyota have got it wrong.

H,i yes to agree with you on the general amounts of rad cap fitments if you take them of when hot you could get hurt but in discussing this model i thought peeps were all on the same wavelength.

Anyway just to let you know it is being looked into every time one of these noises comes in we all have a good listen.

Also i know you did not say it but we technicians are at the mercy of the warranty dept and can not just keep fitting parts till we get rid of it, cant even open a box without it being paid for by someone let alone fit anything labour cost as well, we would love to fit and strip away parts to find it but hands are tied :( and i think we have all moved away from grease monkey days and i know the job was well done and was not "noobed up" as in previous threads.

regards luke

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Hi Luke

Thanks for the info regarding the noise. We could have done with you looking in at the time and that would have saved me advising somebody to do it again.

I always try to be very careful about giving advice and in the case of the pressure cap I would suggest that anyone removing one should take great care as introducing atmospheric pressure to a cooling system can cause the coolant to boil instantly with very nasty consequences. Your info regarding the tensioner is correct but the Toyota info insists that you should take care with the D4D pressure cap to avoid being scalded.

In this respect I would reiterate to anyone removing any pressure cap to do it only when cold or to do it very slowly when hot to allow the pressure to reduce gradually. This advice given generally might avoid someone getting hurt if they make a mistake in identifying which is which given that your advice is correct and Toyota have got it wrong.

H,i yes to agree with you on the general amounts of rad cap fitments if you take them of when hot you could get hurt but in discussing this model i thought peeps were all on the same wavelength.

Anyway just to let you know it is being looked into every time one of these noises comes in we all have a good listen.

Also i know you did not say it but we technicians are at the mercy of the warranty dept and can not just keep fitting parts till we get rid of it, cant even open a box without it being paid for by someone let alone fit anything labour cost as well, we would love to fit and strip away parts to find it but hands are tied :( and i think we have all moved away from grease monkey days and i know the job was well done and was not "noobed up" as in previous threads.

regards luke

I'm sure it must be frustrating when your instinct is telling you to just check.............. but you have to stop.

Keep up the good work and if you can get to the bottom of it let us know :thumbsup:

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hi folks

well ive done it,ive managed...somehow to put a recording of my weird diesel engine noise on you tube, type in 'rav4 noise' and hopefully you can find it,i have put a small pic of engine bay.

please listen carefully as it is a little quiet

the video lasts 1 min 15secs,and 'noise' happens s few times,i really hope you folks can view and hear it,as i aint much good with computers.

please look hard for it......thank you

i look forward to your comments....as this is so frustrating trying to find out what is causing it

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Havent read all of the thread but this sounds like alot of the Rav4's i've heard. Has your car had a fuel filter replaced at all? Sure its a fuel pressure related fault and fitting a new filter helps with noise. Try feeling the fuel filter when noise occurs. Let us know how you get on.

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I have had the same problem for over a year and it bugs me every morning. Mine will soon be due for its 12 month service, when it was last serviced they could not find anything wrong and would not make the noise.

I will be very interested to hear of any result, good luck

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I HAVE FOUND IT...

IT IS THE DIESEL FILTER, THAT MAKES THIS NOISE! It creates a air bubble, that goes to the dieselpump. and the pump makes the sound. you have to change the filter and filter holder. toyota in Norway knew this. and they sell a replacement filter and holder that make this problem dissapear.

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I HAVE FOUND IT...

IT IS THE DIESEL FILTER, THAT MAKES THIS NOISE! It creates a air bubble, that goes to the dieselpump. and the pump makes the sound. you have to change the filter and filter holder. toyota in Norway knew this. and they sell a replacement filter and holder that make this problem dissapear.

Can you possible post the part number(s) please?

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I HAVE FOUND IT...

IT IS THE DIESEL FILTER, THAT MAKES THIS NOISE! It creates a air bubble, that goes to the dieselpump. and the pump makes the sound. you have to change the filter and filter holder. toyota in Norway knew this. and they sell a replacement filter and holder that make this problem dissapear.

Can you possible post the part number(s) please?

Havent read all of the thread but this sounds like alot of the Rav4's i've heard. Has your car had a fuel filter replaced at all? Sure its a fuel pressure related fault and fitting a new filter helps with noise. Try feeling the fuel filter when noise occurs. Let us know how you get on.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: phillgee was right on this one.....

Had mine changed a while back...so will be good to see this noise disappear...but may miss it :blink: :blink: as i'm so use to it now :unsure: :unsure:

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So, now we know!

Thing is, how much for the replacement filter and holder and is it an easy job to do?

Where can the replacements be sourced?

Regards Dave

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