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For a start I'd question the need to overtake anyway. On most journeys it won't make much difference to your arrival time. You're unlikely to cut more than 10% off and what's 10% difference for a half hour journey? You could easily lose that much time at either end by unlucky set of traffic lights or congested roundabout. I do overtake on occasion but I usually plan it such that I don't need to engage the battery and that's with my 1.8. My generally laid back demeanour helps with that of course. Hybrids can recharge the battery as they go along and I'd question the wisdom of performing so many overtakes and demanding so much power that you end up exhausting the battery. As far as I'm concerned that's 'boy racer' territory and anything that helps deter that kind of behaviour is to be applauded. I view getting additional power from the battery as a waste of a valuable resource. It's nice to know it's there but as far as acceleration is concerned for me it's something to be kept in reserve. I prefer to keep the battery available to take over from the ICE when the ICE would otherwise not be operating efficiently which is at low RPMs.

Hi, theoretically yes there is a difference, but in real world it’s not that bad to cause dangerous situation and once you floor it the car will pull to its best ability, but you need to press harder to the floor and ice needs to be at operating temperature. Especially you have 2.0 should not be a problem at all. I have older 1.8 gen 3 hybrid with 136bhp and never complain about power, a lots of motorway driving. Electric cars, bikes, scooters also suffer a bit but not that much, because they have only battery as power source and we have petrol engine too, which actually is the main source of power, it’s not like 50/50 but 60/40 ice/electric average for example only figures. You can do some experiments though, take the car to a quiet road do some hard acceleration with full battery and then with drained battery and you will see the difference, I reckon 1 second difference. 👍

The 2.0 ICE engine only produces around 145bhp (due to its Atkinson cycle setup), so the extra 40bhp of the combined output is provided by MG2. I’ve noticed mine isn’t as quick when hybrid battery is down to 2 bars, compared to 4/5bars. The ‘feel’ of acceleration isn’t very noticeable on these hybrids (except pulling away from standstill), however they don’t hang about. You need to overtake someone to appreciate the rate of acceleration. After having 400nm for the last 5 years / 30k miles, having only 200nm is a very noticeable difference.

That's a fair point, Timmon and yes we all have our own driving styles. But overtaking multiple vehicles by running round each one in turn (presumably heavy acceleration followed by heavy braking) in rapid succession is not sensible driving. It's dangerous and it disturbs me that someone would propose it as a possible scenario. If you're trying to explain why a stock Corolla won't ever win the Touring Car Championship then fine but it should not be considered a reasonable criticism on the public road.

I try to take the car out for a spin a couple of times a week, and did so this afternoon, last trip was Saturday. Disks were a nice terracotta colour thanks to all the rain since Saturday! But no clunk, just gravelly rasping . I usually do some hard braking when I notice this, much to the annoyance of My T which reprimands me for braking to hard, and that gets rid of the rust. If I leave the car a week with that much rust, I get the clunk.

No, from a previous topic: "From 1st July 2019 electric and hybrid vehicles with four wheels and new Type Approvals will be required to have an acoustic vehicle alert system (AVAS) fitted. All new electric and hybrid vehicles built from 1st July 2021 will be required to have AVAS fitted." If the Amazon vehicles' Type Approval dates from before July 2019, they don't need noise generators yet.

I think it is a case of what different users need from their cars. Some want to see how much economy they can eak from their systems and perfect their Hybrid driving styles. Others have Hybrids for the lower business tax, but need to get to a customer or meeting, so overtaking is a must. On a short journey, the saving in time by over taking may be minimal, but on longer journeys and on some long A and B roads, trundling at 40 mph or less behind a lorry on a 60 mph limit can make quite a difference. When I had my under powered 1.6 Cavalier, it was very difficult to over take some days, not others. Setting off to Cambridge at the same time, my arrival varied by 15 minutes many times, depending on what tractors or Tesco Lorries I managed to over take or not! Safely of course. At the end of the day, however you need to drive your Hybrid, you will make a saving against a normal petrol ICE, and that is largely what owners buy them for, rather than a standard ICE.

Iphone 8 plus works brilliantly with most apps particularly WAZE satnav which is free and a huge improvement over the Toyota offering.

I think they might extend production and there are rumours they are preparing new Corolla GR four Hatchback and TS with same drive train, don’t know if we get some those in Uk .

As I read, and reread what the CTEK 5 charger does it is really impressive. I can see its not going to bring back to life a completely dead battery, but within those 8 stages the system can bring a well used battery up to a better level, and that seems to strt at level 1. I dumped a really old battery charger - it was my dads but I must have got it in the 1970's and lent it to him when he needed it. It looked nothing like a CTEK on the outside and probably nothing like one on the inside. I have bit the bullet and bought a CREK 5, lockdown and the winter frost played a large part in my decision, sitting on the driveway for 30-60 min is not for me, and the wife wouuldnt do it with her cr so thats another 30-60 minutes wasted. Rather pay for a CTEK and have it for future years too.

Mine is a 59 plate petrol auto and has been superb. No issues at all, only thing I don’t like there is no spare wheel just can of stuff so I did buy a space saver off eBay and keep in the boot. Gearbox is a CVT box so really smooth and has paddle gear changes if you pop into manual mode for a bit of fun. Tyres i fitted Yokohama G91 £80 +vat each which have been really good. Petrol Rav’s are bullet proof !

Yeah, I miss Android Auto, for certain security issues my Company has blocked android auto on our company Galaxy's which is a bummer

Hi Dave, I have to say that I am one of those people and the mark 2 seats are a vast improvement.....You sit ON a mark 1.....you sit IN a mark 2 seat, much more comfortable and supportive. To be honest, it's the best thing that I've done to my little fella. Claude, welcome to the board , I know that you are not in the UK from your profile but my seats came out of a 2018 C1 Furio and they fit perfectly.....If it works you can click on the photo to enlarge the image

Yeah I noticed that Amazon were using electric vans now. It's quite eerie when they pull off and all you can here is a slight whine.

Thanks Mr.Foy I'll speak to him tonight and tell him what everyone said

Me neither. I had voice control on my old Jazz but get fed up of trying to get it to work so haven't bothered with my Corolla. Just type the details and be done with it. After that it works well enough.

The 2.0 hybrid uses Ni Mh battery similar to Auris and the 1.8 uses li Ion, I believe it’s down to software set up. Usually in Auris the screen when shows almost full its actual around 70-80% if measured. I had before Prius with NiMh and Prius + with Li ion battery but don’t remember any difference in behaviour of car or battery, except the standard Prius was happier to stay in ev mode for longer perhaps because was lighter car.

The Toyota system is worse than that. You may as well be speaking Klingon. Tried to get Apple car play installed at the first service last October but dealer wasn’t ready to do it and since then there has been nowhere to travel to anyway. Net result is I haven’t spoken to frosty knickers for several months now. Ford Sync is far far better

I thought I was imagining it at first but my 1.8 definately feels quicker off the mark with a full batt

Tony after my brief spell in an Auris before my Corolla, I noticed the battery management is so different on the Corolla. The Auris seemed happier to charge its battery towards full, and then do a solid EV run (nearing 2 miles!) and run it right down to almost empty. The Corolla is much more reluctant to get near to the extremes of the battery - you are lucky to get more than 2/3 of a mile on EV. The Auris charges the battery more at speed too as the electric motor doesn’t contribute much and EV mode isn’t available over 47mph on the Auris. The Corolla will drop into EV at much higher speed, and allow the motor to contribute more too.

That's one of my pet peeves about the Corolla. I don't understand why we have to enable brake hold every time we use the car.

Heh heh. These cars can be a bit temperamental sometimes when you don't follow "procedure". But it's all designed to keep us and others safe I guess. Without that warning your car could have rolled away and wreaked who knows what devastation. It certainly taught you a lesson didn't it. 😂

Thanks Tony, that's interesting. As you say, maybe the 2 ltr is less prone to power drop, and I have to say I don't thrash it, rarely using sport mode, possibly only once a month for a few seconds if I need to get past a tractor or something. Maybe that is why I notice no power drops. So back to the original question, maybe the 7.9 second 0 to 60 is achieved with the battery full, Sport mode engaged, and the ICE not in charge mode. And probably with no lights, air con etc on.

Hi Tim, they do suffer and they are actually very different from full ev cars which also loose a bit of performance plus mobile phones too as it was the big scandal with Apple iPhones in recent years for throttling older devices. Back to the hybrids now. I believe you haven’t noticed big difference between empty and full battery because you have 2.0 petrol engine much more powerful than 1.8 . The hybrid battery when gets empty it’s about 40% and it’s got that much power just to keep e motors spinning at required speeds to much ratio with ice to keep car moving and to create a magnetic force to regenerate electricity. Toyota hybrids can not operate without charge in the 200v battery, they will stop. I have been pleasantly surprised sometimes how quick my car can pulls away from traffic lights or roundabout just after I got off the motorway with long steep downhill like J3 on M40 towards Loudwater . I live in a bottom of a long downhill and my hybrid battery is always full when arrive at home even sometimes I get ice spinning to discharge it., I mean properly full (where + and - symbols on top of battery are full) never gets that full if you stay in ready mode only. Here I have picture of battery not full but almost there and measure it was 67% 😊👍

It is an interesting question. My assumption has always been that you always have full power available when you want it. Same as a mobile phone, it discharges , but you still have full facilities from 100% charge to 15%. Then, depending on the model, and settings, it may go into power saving mode by shutting the screen off faster etc, but until 2% it works. If you look at the Car Wow site, the reporter there tests several EV cars until total battery exhaustion. Apart from alerts from the system urging him to go to a charge point, and at 5% the car started to shut off non essential systems like lane guidance to save power, he reported no loss of performance at all from the car, until well past "0%" charge when the car finally died. My assumption is that the power from the battery is managed for our hybrids in a similar way. The difference being that the ICE prevents the battery from dropping below a certain level. If we run out of petrol, the car will still not allow us to totally drain the battery. Re "Full charge" I don't really know how we can get full charge under normal road conditions. I notice if you sit for a while in the driveway with the ICE running, you can sometimes get the battery to within 1 bar of the top. I have also managed it when I was in Devon and I descended a very long hill , and the car was on max bars for several minutes, ICE shut down. Mostly, I get to 2 bars from the top and the system will drain the battery again via EV mode or EV assisting the ICE, no charging. So a full charge for our cars is not really possible except in certain circumstances. Again, leads me to believe we don't suffer from lack of power, unless the system has not reached operating temperature. I have never noticed fluctuating power levels myself.

They will all get you a speeding ticket if thats you bag

Both the 1.8 and 2.0 have more than enough power for a sensible driver in normal conditions.

I haven’t tested that exactly with numbers to show however my experience makes me believe acceleration in Toyota hybrids depends on battery state of charge since it’s a hybrid and when battery is at lower levels the car uses its power from ice to propel the car and charge the battery same time, which means extra load to the engine and lost of acceleration, similar to underpowered car with AC working. This can be felt on many occasions when hybrid battery is drained and you are accelerating to join motorway for example or faster roads where more torque is needed. This is also the reason why auto journalists do not like our cars. On the other side when you have a good battery charge and ice is at work temp you push it harder and the car pulls away nicely because has combined power available and no extra drag from the e motor.

Perhaps it would have been better to include that detail in the initial post. Also you have to bear in mind that the majority of our members are in the UK, and Toyota GB didn't import the Corolla saloon between 2007 and 2019, as sales of saloons in this market sector are usually low volume due to UK owners historically preferring hatchbacks or estates. For the whole of 2019, 15,537 Corollas were sold in the UK, and 699 of which were saloons (only 4.5% of total sales). Answers from members who own saloons will be limited for this reason.

I find iPhone better (than Android- Ive tried both). Apple Carplay has been well developed while Android Auto is still a bit limited imo. I'm using an iPhone S10, which is vintage at this stage, but works just fine with Apple Carplay...