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It seems that this discussion is very partisan. One one side you have owners of the 1.8 assuring us that it is perfectly powerful and keeps up with the traffic flow without difficulty (one recent poster confirming that he had ample power on his motorway trip earlier this evening although on his own admission spent the majority of his journey in L1 at 60mph). On the other side of the argument the defenders of the 2.0 is better argument talk about long motorway trips perhaps heavily laden and climbing hills etc. Surely it’s simply horses for courses rather than one type being better than the other. If you want excellent fuel efficiency then maybe you would be better off looking at the 1.8, or for example if you need the maximum amount of boot space. Conversely if you carry more load and are willing to sacrifice some fuel efficiency then maybe the 2.0 is the better bet. It’s great that Toyota gives us the choices.

Well after a lot of measuring and reading endless reviews I have managed to do what I suspected was impossible, I now have two bikes I can get into the back if an Aygo at the same time. Of course the bikes are the folding type and the rear seats have to go down but I can get two 20" wheel bikes, plus helmets, a boot tidy box (now between the front and back seats), pannier bags for each bike and still enough room to get a carrier bag of shopping in. I have to admit that, even with careful measuring it was a lot tighter than I thought so much so I wondered if it could be done at all at one point. Having got them in and out a few times now I seem to have found the technique. Being careful with placement I have managed to add a basic bike computer (GPS so there are no cables, sensors or magnets involved) and LED lights to each bike even though there is also a twist lever for the seven speed gears and a bell already attached the the handlebars.

I loved the 1.8 2ZR in my Elise. As you said, add lightness and it makes a massive difference. 😂

It's all about the driving style Let's call it Fun 2.0L vs hmm.... how would you call the 1.8L. No word comes in my mind. I assume those with the 2L would never agree that the 1.8 is a fun car, and that is understandable. It is not!!! But the 1.8 does everything a car should do, and does it with a balanced performance and extremely good fuel consumption. Obviously mine is 1.8😂😂😂 and I am after fuel economy Both cars are great, but as the cars are different so we are. Everyone have different needs and different expectations from a car. PS. I would happily have gone for the 2L, but having in mind it would have cost me £7-800 if not even more per year I choose the wiser solution for my needs(and pocket). However if the budget wasn't an issue I would have a Lexus ES now

I'm a new owner so I didnt know the key nearby enables me to unlock it and I got scared. Yeah when I went to check now and left me keys in my house it didnt unlock now. Thanks for replies, now I know

It's definitely good to have a choice and Toyota offer the right one I feel. However you will never convince me that the 1.8 is 'underpowered' or noisy. I've just driven back home from Hinksey Golf course which entails a stint on the A34 then the M40 on a late Sunday afternoon and the car kept up perfectly well. Okay so I spent most of the time in lane one doing 60 but I moved out at a couple of junctions and always had ample power to accelerate up to lane two speeds. And at M40 J10 I was able to pass several slower vehicles and get onto the A43 with no stress. That was the only time I pushed the car into the PWR section of the eco gauge and even then only just. As usual the other drivers were fannying around trying to work out which lane to use and where they were - I just sailed through and past them because I knew what I was doing. Obviously the 1.8 is not 'as powerful' as the 2.0 but to suggest that the 1.8 is underpowered is silly. It has more power than a sensible driver normally needs and is more than adequate for British roads.

It does show a difference in culture between a japanese horn and, say, a german one. Definitely more of a polite "Pardon me sir" than a "GET THE F*** OUT THE WAY YOU **$&$%& *%$£& OR I'LL &$"$%$£ YOUR WHOLE FAMILY!" I sometimes feel I need a variety of horns for different situations, e.g. "Hello is anyone on the other side of this single-lane blind corner??" and "Excuse me fellow driver but the lights have changed!" and "Pardon me fellow driver but if you could pull forwards just a touch I'll be able to get past you into this left turn" and the always useful "I'M RIGHT HERE USE YOUR *$£#@#%£ EYES INSTEAD OF TURNING INTO THE SIDE OF ME WITHOUT LOOKING YOU BLIND **$%&$* IT'S MIRROR SIGNAL MANOEUVRE YOU IGNORANT #@+=$£&!!"

Went for these were a few negative reviews but then there always is and you don't know how the bikes were treated. Overall the comments and reviews were positive. For my wife 20 Inch Folding Bicycle Just £305.99 ! | Free UK Next Day Delivery | Ecosmo (panlova.com) For me Folding Bicycle (20" Wheel) Just £305.99 ! | Free Next Day Delivery | Ecosmo (panlova.com) We have carry bags for them both, not that I would carry them very far, but it goes some way to protecting the both the bikes and the car. When loaded they just look like two black blobs, so give me a day or so and I will upload photos of them loaded, in and out of the bags.

I've got a westfalia towbar on my 2014 mk2 aygo with 13 pin electrics fitted. Works well with my Thule easyfold xt towbar rack and I can fold that up and put it in the boot when out on the bikes. I can get 2 29er/700c bikes (mid drive conversions) on it. It does make the back end sag with the weight so I use rubber spring spacers in the suspension springs to increase the ride height at the back. The car will be gone by the end of the year with new Yaris mk4 so will look for a similar solution for once I get the car.

I think that's your best option tbh...you are right in that the leccy folders are quite heavy and although I'm "getting on" I do have a younger fit wife to help...lol

I've just sourced all I need for just under £160. Well happy with that.

Welcome and great choice for a small automatic car 🚗 Toyota hybrids are slightly different from all other automatics and more close to full electric cars with the difference that the later doesn’t have an engine to roar when pushed. You said the regenerative braking is strong, did you drive the car by any chance in B position on gear leaver or in D? In normal day to day driving only use D for forward drive and B only when going long downhill as extra stopping power provided by the hybrid system and to safe pressing the brakes so often. Once you have passed the downhill shift back to D and enjoy relaxed driving experience. Driving modes eco, normal or power as personal preference, I always drive Normal mode and this gives me best felling of the accelerator and best performance efficiency ratio. Regards 👍

Something that is missing from this thread is a bit of balance. How about his? There is a place for both the 1.8, AND the 2.0. I own the latter, but have experienced both. The 1.8 is ‘adequate’ and especially suitable for the more sedate driver, who isn’t bothered about performance, and would rather save a few £, and take a more relaxed pace. That’s fine, and probably a majority of Toyota hybrid owners. The 2.0 is has much more torque, and surprising performance - contrary to some beliefs, that is relevant, especially if you drive on the motorway with a few passengers or cargo. The 2.0 is more effortless - you don’t have to dig as deep into the pedal travel, and can accelerate with traffic without even breaching the eco zone, and without the slightest movement on the Rev counter. It circumvents much of the CVT traits that frustrate people. It has a bigger battery, and motor than the 1.8. The bigger battery (alongside dynamic force tech) I’m sure, is why it’s so good on fuel. That’s a big list of benefits over the 1.8. the key here is BOTH engines are relevant, and not one size fits all.

After 5 years away from from owning a Yaris I've bought a 2018 hybrid. This was because my Wife wanted to drive due to her work & has only driven an automatic before, as well as wanting to catch up technology wise. I'm still getting used to driving it after 26 years of driving manuals, but picking things as I go along. The brake pedal is quite sharp, but only needs to be applied to come to a complete stop, as lifting off the accelerator drops the speed quite quickly thanks to the regenerative braking. Acceleration seemed to be slow especially when motorway driving, but I had it in Eco mode a first, and turning it off seemed to help things out. Being an Excel it has the displays with lots of functionality, which I'm still learning all the features.

Fully agree with Graeme. TBH, I wasn’t in the fortunate position of being able to afford a new car - and the engine choice was a low priority - so I went for a trim level, colour and price that suited me. In my case I ended up with the 1.8 - which I have found to be more than adequate for the motoring I do these days. Conversely, if I put myself back 15 years ago when I was doing a lot of long distance motorway driving (about 30k pa) then I’m sure the 2.0 would have probably been a better choice. As always, it a case of horses for courses.

I'll check mine when I pick it up tomorrow

Strange, hopefully someone with the same model will post.

Ahh, I understand now

Assuming you have keyless entry, you haven't left a key inside the car or are parked next to your house and hang the key on the wall or something....?

My point(absolutely personal opinion) that we buy Toyota mainly for its reliability record,the hybrid for its great MPG and the 5 to 10 years warranty - depending on your mileage Those 3 main reasons to choose a Corolla 1.8 are related to a low running cost which for me and mine 20k+ miles per year is essential. Forgot to add - I am in a good mood today😀 The 2L is the better car to drive, but the 1.8 is the wiser to own.

Yeah, I could've done 70/80 if I wanted but it would probably only reduce my journey time by a couple of minutes if that. What's the point? I'd had a day of golf (slightly poor score but it's them damn' greens at Hinksey) so I don't care. I only got a bit sporty at M40 J11 because I dislike ditherers. The speed limit is 50mph at the other side anyway.

Yeah, I'd forgotten how much push the battery can give. Also that rather nice whine you get as the motor spins up. I mean it's not the roar of a turbo but it's a nice 'Okay, I'm getting serious now' sound effect 😄

But the 1.8 hybrids are very responsive, all you need is to floor it and it comes to life. If you have a good battery charge even may surprise you how nice and torque becomes, it has this nice pull and you feel even some pressure to the seat, obviously not like in Nissan GT-R but good enough imo. I often see people with Prius, Corolla and ch-r flying pass me and those are 1.8 as I know how to recognise them. I think the only time when you may need a bit more power is when the car is fully loaded with passengers and luggage and you loose inertia on a step uphill drive, add empty battery and then indeed you may need a headphones to lower the engine scream., other than that they are perfectly fine for daily drives.

We regularly put 2 Brompton’s in the back of our Aygo with quite a bit of room to spare.

Haha, I work at night 😂👍 But yes , crazy enough to have time to measure pressures and temperatures. Just don’t want to talk nonsense here. I can tell also for reference what is the normal temperature of brake discs when driving the car and stop. Winter anything from 7C° to 24c° summer up to 44C° if you get significantly higher numbers there likely to be a problem with your brakes or perhaps been on the track, hybrids are always cold brakes. 👌

It's an ex taxi 243,000 miles on the clock, so I guess it's out of waranty

Also the car loosening up as it's broken in probably helps too! Ironically mine's going down, but I suspect that is mostly my fault...

Well at least you can save money at the gym and get some big beefy arms!

There is no easy way of changing the DRL LEDs. Certainly, from a dealer point of view, a new headlamp would be fitted, which would be in the order of £400 for the part. (The bumper has to be removed to allow access for the headlamp to come out, by the way.) Was the car's last service done at a Toyota dealer? If it was, then the car may be covered by the 10 year Toyota 'Relax' warranty, but there is a mileage cap on this, I think. How many miles has the car done? The headlamp's shell is in two halves, clipped and glued together with a mastic sealant. If the halves are split open, then the faulty electronics are then accessible to attempt a 'specialist' repair. This has been done on Avensis headlamps, using a domestic oven to soften the sealant and allow it to be prised apart. But this all requires good DIY skills and a handy and willing electronics bod - plus there is some risk this can all go wrong! New electronic parts have to be identified and sourced too. I think in so far as this forum is concerned, you would be the first Auris owner to go down that repair route...

I’ve never heard that before, thanks Tony.

Well done..! We have two Viking Hiko electric folding bikes..20" wheels...but have a rather easier job than you in that we have an Estima MPV which swallows them pretty easily. You've done very well to get them into an Aygo.

Love to see a photo of the bikes and all the gear in your Aygo. Which bike do you go for?

Thanks I kept it in D for most of my journey home from the showroom, but haven't tried B yet. I know it only really needs using when driving downhill. The Nissan Micra I previously had a quite a gradual travel on the brake pedal, and I'm probably still used to this. I'll keep it in Normal to see how I get on.

Well done to get two bikes in👍

You would think part of the PDI would be to set the tyre pressures correctly, sadly this seems to be beyond them, I had 3 at 45 and one at 55 when I collected mine last year! Most tyre fitters set them way too high too, in fact I’ve only ever seen one tyre fitter look at the sticker in the door at set the pressures correctly.

The golden rule on checking tyre pressures is always do it when tyres are cold. Also reset the TPMS when tyres are cold too. My 2.0 TS Design tyre pressures are 34 psi all round and it's super quiet and smooth should any one wish to experiment on a similar model. Tyres are the factory fitted Falkens. On last service the technician set tyres at 32 psi all round by the way.

I think for this car 40mpg is perhaps on the normal side for town driving and some A roads. If doesn’t start first time you may need to look at fuel air mixture, something about spark plugs again even if they look good if they have 50+ k miles better put a new oem ones, then throttle body, maf sensor check and clean. , replace air filter if it’s dirty. Also if the car burns oil it may clogging the lambda sensors and cat converter. You can try wynns catalytic converter and lambda sensor cleaner. The type of oil you have in the car, I believe the correct one is 0w20. Also you may want to try 99 E5 fuel, this later 95 E10 especially from some supermarkets is not a good fuel, my car just does not like it at all.

Yes it’s with both bobs

The extra sound deadening measures over the HEV make it sound even more pathetic - but it is truly pathetic in its own right...........

Nooo, I don't want a Prius too😂😂😂

Yes, I think the Jazz has two spark plugs per cylinder plus can operate in either Atkinson or Otto modes depending what you ask of it. If you get your foot down it will move surprisingly well. My biggest gripe with my version was that it was a bit 'lumpy' around the 2k rpm point when it was switching modes. I did once drive the next iteration and it seemed like Honda had sorted that out but they'd also introduced an emulation of discrete gears at the top end for CVT. It seemed to give more power but I thought it was dishonest. Drivers should learn to embrace CVT not pretend it's something else.

Only time I've really felt the lack of the 1.8 is pulling away from M40 J11 up to Middle Cheney. In my Jazz if I floored the accelerator I could be doing 100 mph at the three quarter point. The car would have an eager 'yeah! Let's do it!' feel belying its popular image as a lumbering old-fogey's car. The 1.8 starts to run out of steam and seems to top out at 90 mph. All the way up the hill it feels like it's out matched and it just unable to do what the driver wants. But hey - I don't often do that. Especially since working from home became permanent. If all you want is to get up to 60 (or even 70) on the dual carriageway it can do that well enough. But it's interesting how the the Jazz 1.3 can clearly wipe the floor with the Corolla's 1.8.

I am impressed you check your tyre pressures at 03:00 !!

I much prefer the digital dash on the Yaris - I'm so glad they made that the default except on the lowest spec car. The more analogue/dially dash in the Corolla and some of the other cars feels very dated by comparison. It is very marmite tho', like the HUD, so I can see why Toyota keep it around as there are a lot of people who have the opposite view to mine!

That’s annoying. On the Yaris you get an instantaneous bar, average mpg and range all on screen together. Along with the power meter gives a pretty comprehensive display. The Yaris Cross that shares the mix of mechanical and digital dials like the Corolla the left gauge is a power meter rather than rev counter.

I have just corrected mine. On the door side it was stating Front 33 and Rear 30 if speed 0-160 so I have now set mine to this. Thanks

These figures from 2.0 hybrids are impressive indeed 👌👍⛽️, but remember they are not realistic. This high mpg’s are only achievable in very specific conditions and driving style and anything out of them will adjust accordingly. There always will be a difference between 1.8 and 2.0 at around 10mpg for the 1.8. Sometimes they can come close but again in certain situations only., most of the time 1.8 will be the winner. 👍 Best way to find out how much your 1.8 or 2.0 consumption is in real world is to drive two same spec Corollas one with 1.8 and one with 2.0 engines, same place, same time, same style, same fuel.

I’ve found some interesting Auris photos on the net. Thought I’d share them with you all. Auris cut in half:

As people have said, would suspect time running for service. Our new Cross shows 76.2 l/100km or 3.7mpg for the day we collected it.

If you are connected via Bluetooth, also turn up the volume button on the phone handset. That caught me out a few weeks ago with a low phone volume (iPhone)