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  1. Hi everyone, as many of you know I have been driving my Auris with a dead battery for some time now this week I had replaced the hybrid battery myself. I bought a new battery from Toyota dealer ( Steven Eagell St. Albans) for £1448. They quoted 3 hrs labour at £487 which was exactly the time it took me to do the job by myself on my driveway saved me these money. The replacement process is very easy, no special tools or equipment are needed, no high voltage gloves or anything other protection wear. You need only a good quality tool set with 1/4 and 3/8 wrenches with sockets 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, two extension bars, long and short, and must have interior panels remover tool, aka clip remover., there are many clips you need to undo. The battery itself comes in a nice box, it is 46 kg weight so you will need help from a friend or do your English breakfast first 😉 I had used this video as tutorial how to , even I made it easier. Here some pictures from my work, the old, the new battery, the controls and electronics you need to transfer, the seat that you need to detach from brackets, maybe the tools you can see. The new battery is plug and play, it is also charged at around 50% or more, so no worries to start the engine. This new batteries seems to be re manufactured which includes new cells, new cables and sensors and new bus bars, just using old metal work, perhaps cleaned or re sprayed as it looks brighter colour. The warranty is 12 months. No mileage been asked about so I believe it’s unlimited. The important bit when buying a new hybrid battery from Toyota dealers in UK, you need to pay upfront at the dealer by card full amount £1448 + surcharge of £1032 for the old battery and when ready you have 20 days to return the old bay in the same box and they will refund the surcharge money. That’s pretty much all.
    14 points
  2. As an update to this, I sent an email to SE Cambridge and they offered to pay for the repairs to be done at my local dealership. I went to pick up the car after the repairs were done, and found out that there was a breakdown of communication between the dealerships and the repairs hadn't been paid for. As I needed the car I paid for it. After another email, SE Cambridge reimbursed me for the repair cost.
    11 points
  3. Just back from a 3 month visit to Australia and a 2 week cruise around New Zealand. During that time I hired 2 cars and built up a fair amount of mileage. First vehicle was a Toyota Corolla Hatchback Hybrid which never missed a beat and was an absolute pleasure to drive. I preferred the drivers seat as it gave a little more support than my Yaris Cross. However, not having the elevated height of an SUV, I struggled a little bit getting in and out of the vehicle. Overall fuel consumption returned 72 mpg. Second vehicle was a Kia Sportage ICE with a DCT gearbox. I liked the raised height of this SUV and the exterior design. I was also impressed with the interior which was light, modern with an easy to view dashboard. Seats were very supportive. Driving on the Australian highways and freeways this car behaved quite well. It was another story when it encountered the hills and country roads of rural Western Australia. The DCT gearbox was very jerky at junctions, struggled to select the appropriate gear going uphill and downhill and seemed to stay in any gear for far to long. There was a slight improvement when I flicked from eco drive mode to sports mode and gear changes became more responsive. This car was virtually brand new as it only had 450 kilometres on the clock. Overall fuel consumption was 34 mpg. On returning home it was a real pleasure to be reunited with my Yaris Cross. It was looked after by my son and there were no issues either with the battery or the brake disks rusting up. The main reason why I raised this topic was to show how impressed I am with the Toyota brand, in particular with the Yaris Cross and the ECVT gearbox. Looking for a new car last year, I nearly put off my visit to the Toyota dealer when I found out that the Yaris Cross had this type of gearbox but I can now say it’s an excellent system. It’s so smooth, effortless and doesn’t have the drawbacks of conventional and DSG boxes. I always find it difficult to explain in layman’s terms how this system works but my neighbours seemed to have understood me as two of them now have shiny new Cross’s and another has a C-HR after my recommendation.
    11 points
  4. Got a Mazda, then Toyota Yaris, after a year with a mini. If you want to know about quality, get a mini to find out how bad it can be
    9 points
  5. I’ve worked on a lot of transmissions in my days Jim and some are good and others not so much. There is one that shines and it’s the current Toyota ecvt which is virtually flawless. Some journalists complain that the revs flare but they don’t understand how it all works and in later versions like we have, it’s far less noticeable. Toyota have a plan to remove manual transmission because of the fundamental weakness - the driver, isn’t compatible with emissions legislation and I’m convinced they have got it right.
    9 points
  6. i think this forum is quite "boring" in the best possible way!!! Not many scary stories are being shared. This thread is probably the scariest of them all with a blown engine on a pretty new car. This is really worrying and I hope no one ever experience this again - not with a Toyota!!! Most of the issues everyone else is sharing here are not major ones and it's normal for any kind of machinery to have little bugs here and there- something for us to talk about
    9 points
  7. Another factor not accounted for above is the battery's resistance to degradation. There are, broadly, two types of lead acid battery - Starter type, and deep-cycle type. The starter type are designed to supply lots and lots of current very quickly, and have lots of thin lead plates full of holes for maximum contact surface with the acid. However, they have to be kept at near-100% charge all the time, as the lead plates are very fragile and the lower the charge and the longer they're kept at that sub-100% charge, the faster they degrade. The deep-cycle type is designed to be cycled up and down repeatedly and just have big thick plates which allows them to resist degradation. It can't deliver as much current, but doesn't mind being used to run things for long periods before being charged up. A lot of better quality car batteries, esp. ones rated for stop-start, have a bit of a mix of the two, so they can provide enough current to start the car repeatedly, but also withstand being at lower states of charge for longer without significant degradation. It seems the mutley battery is not one of those However, the Yuasa more likely is, since it seems to have done a lot better and they even advertise its lower rate of degradation as part of its features.
    9 points
  8. It might not be crows but snakes…..windscreen vipers…. im here all week…..
    8 points
  9. You might think I am a crackpot but bear with me............We had a customer with an Aygo and the roof mouldings kept falling off, he was so peeved off he thought he would check his CCTV to see if somebody was nicking them. Every morning at dawn, CROWS could be see attacking the mouldings and ripping them off the roof. No I had never heard of that happening in 50 years in the motor trade, but we had a spell of wiper blades on the forecourt where the rubber blades were being pulled out of the wiper OR where the ends were splitting, yeah you guessed it, crows were eating the ends of the blades. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51178250
    8 points
  10. Picking it up next Wednesday 😁
    8 points
  11. Take it off at once, we share information and we learn a lot by doing so 👍
    8 points
  12. Forum statistics can be very misleading, people come to a forum for a couple of reasons, to find out more about the car they are driving or to help others. There are also a large number that come to complain about the brand or dealer, which then gives a false impression of the problem at hand
    8 points
  13. *in Ready mode You are not taking charging speed into consideration which relies on the voltage. That means, charging the battery from 20% to 80% takes less time than charging battery from 40% to 100%, despite the thereotical same Ah pumped into. That is because the current is getting lower when you approach max voltage, limiting the charging speed. That is why having larger capacity helps. Even with the same trip duration, possibility to charge the 12V battery with a higher current allows to regain more energy during the short trip. Of course it won't help if you have negative energy balance which happens with the regular ICE engines doing short hops but as I calculated that according to power consumption logs, it only takes around 2 minutes of Ready state to recharge the whole system startup up to engaging the DC/DC converter which starts the charging process. So any longer than 2 minutes trip should add to the overall charge level.
    8 points
  14. The idea that a 12V auxiliary battery with a higher Amp/hour capacity will solve completely the problem of discharged batteries seems to be popular, but it is wrong. The problem can be analysed as 5 factors: The auxiliary battery sustains a continuous discharge because of passive or "parasitic" currents - which I call static discharge. All modern cars are like this, you can't isolate the battery by turning off the ignition switch. The auxiliary battery is charged only when the car is in Drive mode. There is no way the driver can monitor or control the battery's State of Charge. We can provide our own means by using voltmeters and separate chargers but Toyota don't. (Do other manufacturers do this?) Also, Toyota's Battery Management System for the auxiliary battery does not provide any warning that the battery is approaching a critical SoC, and it does not automatically shut down the static discharges and isolate the battery before it is damaged. If it is discharged below a critical level and remains below that level for any appreciable length of time it will be damaged and will no longer have the same capacity. If the damage is sufficiently severe the battery will not hold any useful charge at all. Replacing the battery with one which has a higher Amp/hour capacity or a better build quality will help if the periods of static discharge are not too long and the periods in Drive mode are long enough, but if not then even a high quality battery with a higher capacity will be damaged. I continue to see the problem discussed in this thread as primarily a failure of systems design, aggravated by the installation of inadequate and poor quality batteries in some markets. Replacing the rubbish 12V batteries will mitigate but won't solve the problem. Toyota, and possibly most other car manufacturers, need to redesign their auxiliary Battery Management Systems to provide something like a 12 hour early warning to drivers that a charge is needed and then, if no action is taken, to isolate the auxiliary battery before it is damaged.
    8 points
  15. Sitting in Toyota dealer waiting for new improved battery to be fitted FOC. Also been promised a free solar trickle charger so we can maintain battery whilst away on holiday. Fingers crossed these actions will resolve our dead battery problems?
    8 points
  16. I can now join the "let's bore everyone to death with a load of graphs" crowd! 🤣😉
    8 points
  17. I’ve got an elderly friend who does very little mileage in hers, it’s done 6700 in three years and she’s followed my advice and left in ready for an hour once if she doesn’t use it in a fortnight. It’s got the original Mutlu battery and it’s never failed once. None of mine (Yaris 4 and Cross) failed although I only owned them for about 6 months each. I have another friend who used his daily and by about the third or fourth month it failed so we put a Yuasa on and cured it. That’s been written off now so there’s a good battery in a scrap yard somewhere. Got another mate with a 21 Excel. His battery got so unreliable it failed frequently and had recovery out weekly. I put a Yuasa on that about 6 months ago and it’s never failed once even through winter.
    8 points
  18. Being a law obiding individual I took Charlie to the vets this week to get him "chipped". Very disappointed with the outcome though. No faster and certainly no better economy. (Charlie, by the way, is a half bread Bengal)
    7 points
  19. I think it would be a bit cramped fitting two adults and a small child into the trunk ................. sorry, I couldn't resist. 😁
    7 points
  20. Well, while waiting for the new hybrid battery I have decided to do an intermediate service, just oil and filters and a set of new wipers. The Denso one lasted only 1.5 years and 47000 miles., now back to Bosch classic wipers. The rest all the usual stuff, Petronas 0w20 oil, Mann oil filter, Blueprint cabin filter and stop flush. Service interval 8655 miles in 3 months. When the engine was running with engine flush in I noticed a steam coming from the radiators, checked and the smaller one top right corner was wet, so I run a test with paper towel, one end soak from the radiator and it was pure water, other end I soaked into the expansion tank and it turned pink, then I realised its water seating from the car wash yesterday., got me a bit worried 😉👌
    7 points
  21. Changed mine today. I got it from a company in London that offered 3 years warranty or 100k miles whicever comes first. The 3 years warranty works for me as I am able to use it as a taxi until 2026 and then I will part exchange it. I changed it with a friend and it took around 40minutes. Maybe it would have taken less but we replaced some bus bar connectos as they were coroded. No reprogramming needed if that helps 👍
    7 points
  22. I find the easiest way to describe the Toyota ECVT is saying it works similar to the old "Spriograph" toy that we used to have as kids. If you hold one ring, spin another you get a pattern, hold a different ring and you get a different pattern.
    7 points
  23. If people don't value their car and the exterior bits on the outside of it being ripped off and it missing parts of the car to clean, then automated car washes are fine, but I'd never use one. To be honest, I've even stopped using the hand car wash places a few years ago. Can't imagine the grit and crap on their wash mits etc !!! I'm sure there are very good places, but if my car is accidentally scratched by dirt or grit, I'd like to scratch it myself and then there's nobody to blame but myself.
    7 points
  24. Hello Iain, I am not familiar with that particular company. I had a problem a bit like this about 10 years ago re disabled parking on a private car park,ie shopping centre. The first thing to understand is, it is not a fine, private companies cannot fine anyone, they are legally, a speculative invoice. It will be worth you having a good read on the pepipoo website re private parking,a goldmine of information. Mine had got as far as the bulk processing centre at Northampton county court, the very helpful people at pepipoo drafted letters for me, and it saw them off. Things are always changing though, so check the current situation with them to be sure,it will be best to prepare at this early stage, then you'll be ready if it happens.
    7 points
  25. 267500 miles to date in 1.8 hybrid Auris no problems at all. Yes the engine does burn oil, around 2 to 3 litres per 10k miles and also has the typical oil leaks - drippings , but overall very reliable. Only ever needed to change timing chain tensioner at around 180k miles and twice egr system clean at 140k and 240k. Service as per the manufacturer recommended with oem or high quality aftermarket parts. Another thing that needed attention were exhaust brackets and heat shielding, those were fixed with on the car with hose clamp and extra shims made of cola cans. The car drives and feels like new, except it requires a new hybrid battery., that’s all. And btw yesterday I seen video about 4 years old Corolla hybrid 1.8 with 446000 miles.
    7 points
  26. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I have noticed that drivers are getting more impatient and always seem to be in a hurry to get everywhere. When I drive, I tend to stick to the speed limit and 9 times out of 10, I end up with someone behind me, glued to my rear bumper. There also seem so be a total lack of common courtesy on the road nowadays too. Drivers force their way in front of you from side streets, and when you do let someone through, there is no thank you. Winge over
    6 points
  27. I have seen this happen a number of times, the oil cap left off after an oil change. Only last week I carried out an engine detail due to oil contamination, after the owner topped up the engine on an Audi A5 Sport and forgot to put the cap back on. He only noticed because the engine warning light illuminated. Also happened to a neighbour's Ford EcoSport, he'd had a service and MOT, the mechanic had also forgotten to put the cap back on, I found it on the scuttle panel just like I did with the Audi. No warning lights appeared on the Ford but he noticed a strong smell of burning oil coming into the cabin from the oil stained exhaust manifold.
    6 points
  28. My pal Denzel set off for the metropolis in a 1987 astra van some time ago,he did check the oil before travelling,but misunderstood the method, procedure, and indeed any part of oil checking altogether. Turned out he filled the engine with oil up to the valve cover, then fortunately forgot to put the oil filler cap back on thus preventing blowing out the core seals. Of course the excess oil blew out all over the van and everywhere else, I think they still talk about the A1 oil slick at carpenters lodge even nowadays.
    6 points
  29. Hi Ruth,the mechanic is probably right, forgetting the cap entirely is improbable during an oil change and MOT.It's more likely the cap wasn't tightened properly, causing it to vibrate loose during your long drive.With no cap, oil leaked out, potentially leading to insufficient lubrication and engine seizure as you suspect. It's crucial not to run the engine until a mechanic diagnoses the problem.If you haven't already get the car towed. The mechanic will assess the damage. In a best case scenario, replacing the oil, filter, and possibly the oil cap might suffice. In a worst case scenario, engine repairs or even replacement could be necessary. If the original mechanic is at fault, discuss compensation for repairs due to their negligence. This might involve a conversation with the garage manager. Depending on the outcome you may need to take legal advice Keep a record of your communication with the garage, If you are unsure about their response, consult a trusted mechanic or consumer organisation for legal redress and further guidance. Remember, it's crucial not to run the engine until a mechanic diagnoses the problem. Hopefully it will not come to this. Hope this helps
    6 points
  30. My uninsurable bundle of joy arrived at the dealers today 🙂
    6 points
  31. That's brilliant Tony, very well done and a great result. Just a bit puzzled by your last photo of the long box in the back of your car covered with a blanket, it's not the body of a car salesman is it?
    6 points
  32. Your Cross was built in France 🤣 We bought a Clio in 2016 and whilst there are lots of positives I could say about it, build quality and materials ain't one of them. However what made it one of the best cars I've owned is the fact this was reflected in the price - I paid £10400 for a 0.9tce Dynamique in met red with the black wheels as extras. They also threw in 2yr free servicing. The plastic trim that covers the steering wheel on the Renault sounds just like your experience with the Toyota - the edges were crazy sharp and there were several squeaks and rattles on a brand new car. But that's reflected in the price I paid so happy days. I've been saying it before I took delivery of the Yaris Cross - the quality of some materials are highly questionable especially given the price because it's no a cheap car. But if you move up market, you can say the same about Mercedes, Audi and VW because they're nowhere near the cars they used to be. When priority is given over to weight saving, this is what happens.
    6 points
  33. Prior to Yarises I had two 1.2 Yetis, both DSG boxes and I loved them. If Skoda hadn’t dropped the Yeti I might well still be owning one. True replacement never materialised as the Kodiaq was bigger than the Yeti. Far better than the i-shift in the Honda previous (which also got dropped for the CVT). First thing I did was test drive the e-CVT in the Yaris to see if I could get on with it .
    6 points
  34. No, they recommend it where needed.
    6 points
  35. It's here at the dealer's!! 😁😁😁
    6 points
  36. I had a moped that was like that!
    6 points
  37. Hi, yes it seems a bit premature wear on hybrid battery to finish at 150k miles but again it depends on use of the car, conditions, how often the filter was cleaned, replaced, and also on the elements like for example any moisture, higher temperature, a lots of city driving etc. My one gave up at around 260000 miles 13.5 years old , but I managed to drive another 8000 miles ever since , I just learned how to drive with bad battery and I was resetting the fault few times a week. There are many places who offer hybrid service, reconditioning of the pack and or replacing dead battery modules but imo this is waste of time especially on any battery older than 5 years or more. Just buy new from a Toyota dealer. Reconditioned batteries or use of non original Toyota cells often brings same faults shortly after. The problem here is that the dealers wants upfront full payment £1448 + £1000 surcharge for your old battery. This is non refundable, non returnable high cost bill of £2500. Then after you replace the battery within 20 days you need to return your old one to get your £1000 surcharge money back. It is very risky, complicated and unnecessary hassle. If you prefer them to fit for you it will be £1448 for the battery +3hrs labour at around £470 total cost £1930 + money. Most dealers are busy and will make you wait at least a week or 10 days before they can book you in. Today I just went ahead and ordered a new battery from my local Toyota branch and expecting delivery from Wednesday onwards. Hopefully the weather will allow me to put it in. All work planned for Wednesday or Thursday.
    6 points
  38. A good day today, because after Toyota assistance started the car, I took it directly to the dealer where they tested the battery and proceeded with the DCM update. After they had finished the DCM update, they came to me and said the 12v battery was shot, and it would be replaced under warranty with the new updated battery (45AH). Unfortunately, for logistical reasons, I was unable to use the car all day, but they loaned me a car. Overall, a very satisfactory performance from the dealer*. OTOH, if I had to be at work it would have caused me some problems, being retired has its advantages. *Alpes Sud Toyota (Sisteron-Volx).
    6 points
  39. Yep, that was about the size of it. On the other hand are you going to buy a new car and keep it 20 years ? What are the residual values on the Yaris, Hybrid or Essence, after 3 years ? Many people "buy" on leasing arrangements, too. Now, in France, for example, you can't get a MY24 Yaris other than as a hybrid. Toyota has upgraded the standard battery, now at 45AH, and is proceeding with a recall to address issue(s) with the DCM (Data Communication Module, or some such), which "drains" the 12v battery unnecessarily.
    6 points
  40. TOYOTAaaa do you hear, they have a problem! The discussion is approaching 100 pages...
    6 points
  41. Dunno nowadays Bob,the lads down at tonight's car meet all seemed like good drivers. One of them did a triple doughnut in a Saxo, another did a rwd burnout in an old lexus 300. I just chilled with my backlit spinners switched on and basement Jax on the bass bins.
    6 points
  42. Hi, fuel consumption can vary between different users and while some get excellent results others can be disappointed. The main reason is how the car been used, how heavy is your right foot too. The 1.6 petrol engine is bulletproof, very similar to 1.8 engines in petrol cars and the hybrids. 40ish mpg average real world in any petrol car is respectful number. You will be between not trusting websites for fuel consumption numbers, these only can be obtained from car owners. If you are more about efficiency then the 1.4 diesel might be an option too especially if you live outside big cities and no restrictions applied. 1.2T is really good choice though , absolutely nothing to worry about reliability. Hybrid versions are definitely the best, they drive smoothest, most responsive, most efficient, very reliable and all that comes at a cost, Toyota hybrids currently most expensive cars in their league, very high demand for these. At the end, avoid buying a Toyota with BMW’s engine, 1.6d for example. These are not real Toyota cars, they look and drive like Toyota but have the inconvenience of expensive, unnecessarily difficult maintenance and high risk of failure., and they does not drive as good as bmw, just got the bmw negatives. 👍
    6 points
  43. Just thought I'll update you all, my Aygo has finally gone in for repair (accident date 5th December last year). I've been given a nice red Yaris, rather basic but its nice to have a bit more power.
    6 points
  44. Hi, the 1.8 is bulletproof engine and slightly older tech which seems to be a bit more reliable. The engine + e motor gives the car plenty of power for all your needs and you may only ever need more if you about to race in the fast lane on the motorway, other than that it’s a perfect day to day cruiser or as occasional drives. The 1.8 has slightly better efficiency too, between 5-10mpg better than 2.0. The best choice for Corolla is top spec excel with retrofitted 16” wheels from icon models.
    6 points
  45. 60 MPH on the M6 at Birmingham is a luxury no one has seen for 20 years. Anything over 25 MPH is rare.
    6 points
  46. Just to say hello. I've down sized 15/03/24 from RAV4 Excel 2WD 2022 to a Yaris Cross Excel 2WD 2024 ex demo 800miles 7 weeks old very pleased it's a mini RAV4 😀 gone are the days of driving to South of France and Spain me my partner and 2 dogs I don't need the space now but have wonderful memories just me and a very small dog . very very pleased with the Yaris Cross . Thank you for reading. If I get stuck rest assured I'll be I touch
    5 points
  47. Mine coming up this year too. Can you just go to a post office and fill a form out with a current photo? Come to think of it I suppose I'd best get my driving test passed aswell.
    5 points
  48. I have a 2.0 design MY2021 and now approaching 30k miles with no issues and running mostly on supermarket e10. I also had extended use of a 1.8 at the time I bought it. I chose the 2.0 for the better overtaking performance and response when fully loaded. The pre MY23 1.8 cars also used engine braking much more than the 2.0 in my experience. Regarding the ICE the requirement to plug in a phone for Car play is annoying but I'm not into all the MyToyota app stuff so have all that disabled. Also all the nannying assist stuff like lane assist is defaulted off. Soundwise the radio head unit is rubbish but actually if you feed a decent source say Tidal HiFi quality via Carplay then the amp and speakers do a reasonable job. Oh and the retrofitted Goodyear EGP 2 tyres are performing and wearing well but are still a bit lifeless through the steering. Body and trim wise it also seems to be pretty resistant to our miserable winters roads and the reflector style LED headlamps are acceptably bright. The auto wipers are also better than my previous cars (Fords).
    5 points
  49. That's about 1 hour each way, so yes. If they put a Mutlu 35Ah in 2024 cars, and in future it gives problem, Don will install the Yuasa battery free for forum members, even make u a free cuppa and give a head and shoulders massage in the process for good measures.
    5 points
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