As my sig " You cannot fail if you never give up" Loads from Army days e.g. Practice and preperation prevents p**s poor performance A wise man learns by the mistakes of others, a fool by his own. If we all did the things we are capable of, we would astound ourselves. Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity. You cannot plough a field by turning it over in your mind. Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising every time we fall. a few