Ten Ninety

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  1. I did a bit of looking around last year about this, and didn't find much useful info. I have an iPhone but was hoping to be able to buy a cheap Android phone to leave in the car permanently for Mirrorlink, but the received wisdom seemed to be that Toyota's implementation of Mirrorlink is outdated and only has a chance of working with (literally) a couple of very old phones and even then it doesn't actually do anything useful as newer apps no longer work with it. If you discover anything to the contrary and have any success, please let us know. Good luck!
  2. It's a shame to hear your experience is so similar to what I found last year, despite you being in a different region. The only encouragement I can offer is that when you do eventually stumble across a decent one, actually owning one is brilliant! Amen to that. The cars are invariably in terrible condition even if they're virtually new and the salesmen are always annoying gob****es.
  3. Also Paul, if you haven't found it already, Geoff's thread here covers a lot of PHV-related stuff that you might find interesting and useful, including a few comments about road noise and the impact of switching to winter tyres (spoiler: it made things slightly worse in both cases).
  4. As a fellow tinnitus sufferer, this was an important choice for me when I was looking. However, I didn't come to any definitive conclusion as to whether either the Toyos or the Bridgestones were better in terms of road noise. On my first test, I remember being impressed at how much quieter the PHV was compared to the Auris HSD I'd arrived in, which was similar for road noise to a Gen3 Prius (i.e. terrible). That first PHV had Toyos on. I then tested one on Bridgestones that seemed rather less impressive, so I thought the Toyos were better, until I tested another one on Toyos that seemed noisier again. I never did a back-to-back test, nor did I do any db measurements, so it's not a scientific conclusion. I ended up with a car on Bridgestones, which do generate a fair bit of noise on some surfaces, but in my experience that's the case with most modern cars. When I got my Lexus GS, I was lured by the promise of quiet thanks to reviewers using phrases like 'church like' and 'silent'. In reality it's nothing of the sort. Yes, the tyre noise is better suppressed than the Prius, but not by as much as I was expecting given the relative size and 'class' of car. On poor surfaces, it's still really loud. I've had three different brands of tyre on the GS over the years, none of which have made any noticeable difference to noise. The only vehicle I've driven recently that I could genuinely call 'quiet' regarding road noise was a Chevrolet Tahoe SUV, probably because it had about a foot between the tyres and the arches!
  5. I ended up with red in the end, mainly because it was a decent car at a reasonable price and I'd pretty much lost the will to carry on looking. I don't like red cars, having been scarred many years ago by a Renault 5 which turned pink. However, Hypersonic Red is a bit more candy-apple custom with the pearl effect and is quite pleasant in the sunshine. To be honest, as I never wash my cars and spend well over half the year driving in pitch darkness, colour was never going to be that important. I had to draw the line at Spirited Aqua though! Regarding distance travelled to make a purchase, 300 miles is good going. I'd routinely do over 200 back in my turbo-nutter days, but I think Norwich to St Helens was my longest. Or possibly Yeovil. Mad distances just for a car, really, although driving back then was a lot more fun that it is now. I went from Suffolk to Stockport for my Lexus a while back, and that wasn't an enjoyable drive, although at least the dealer was prepared to negotiate a decent 'deal' despite being in possession of the only GS300 Premier in the country at the time. The PHV experience has pretty much decided that I won't ever do long distances for a car again, nor will I attempt to actually 'buy' a car with 'money'. By the time I'm due another motor, I'm pretty sure I'll have reached the age where I'll give in and do what I always swore I'd never do, which is buy brand new and go for a PCP. I just don't have the energy to fight the system any more.
  6. Spirited Aqua! 🤢😁 Colour's a personal thing of course, and there are plenty on here who love it. However, a couple of the less obnoxious dealers I spoke to suggested it was a difficult colour to shift and had caused them problems trying to move on their early demos which had been ordered in that colour as the 'signature' PHV shade. They reckoned grey would be the easiest colour to sell, despite being the one colour that completely fails to show off the car's shape. I can't say I trust that view, given that they'd hardly sold any of the damn things anyway, and one of them was trying to sell a grey car to me at the time! I wanted pearl white with a white interior, but none came up for sale at all in that spec. Pearl white's a magnificent colour for the shape of the car. The white interior feels amazing to be in, but I don't think many were specced with it from new and I imagine it would put quite a few people off. I'm used to going through hassle, especially travelling long distances, as I've always been one of those saddos who spends ages researching a car purchase and decides on a very precise model and spec that is invariably not a 'mainstream' choice and thus proves to be virtually impossible to find on the second-hand market. Ironically, the PHV was the most 'available' car I've wanted for some time. Sadly, the unwillingness of multiple dealers to 'negotiate' on the cost-to-change once they found we weren't interested in finance, prolonged the experience rather more than I was expecting, as did the shocking condition of some of the cars which you've already experienced yourself. As for the PHV's desirable attributes, I've loved hybrids for years. The idea of having one that could get me to work on electric power only and still deliver outstanding economy on the journey home even when not charged from a socket, proved irresistible. And, of course, that carbon fibre tailgate... 💕
  7. If you're concerned about residuals, it might be best to avoid the PHV completely and stick with the Gen4 ordinaire. PHV values might end up riding the wave of interest in electric cars and hold up well. However, they sell new in pitiful numbers and seem more likely to remain misunderstood by most buyers who remain fearful of any car that has a plug, which will keep values depressed. I can't imagine having five seats will have any great impact on sales. It may make a difference for some, but I'd imagine that if you needed five seats, you'd almost certainly need more luggage space than the comically tiny boot will offer. Therefore I don't think it will impact on values of the 4-seater much. As regards holding out for a 'bargain' in a few months, that logic might not work because logic doesn't seem to apply to used PHV prices. It may be different now, but a year ago I found prices - like many low-volume cars - to be incredibly random. It wasn't unusual to see differences of up to £4k between dealers for cars with the same plate, colour and mileage. More bizarrely, having monitored Auto Trader for a good 6 months, I found that advertised prices for some cars would often go up over time! The amount of time a car had been for sale also seemed to have zero impact on the dealer's willingness to 'do a deal'. I tried a few of these and they were happy to let me walk away without even bothering to negotiate, despite me pointing out that other cars were advertised for considerably less. To be honest, trying to buy a PHV was the most frustrating and depressing experience I've ever had buying a car, as all the familiar 'rules' for buying used cars just didn't seem to apply. I got there in the end, but only after hundreds of miles travelled and many weeks of trying. I hope you have better luck, and a more enjoyable time!
  8. In England it is, as 66% of all properties have garages or off-street parking. Not sure about the other parts of the UK. To be fair, you'd be right to point out that it is a significant body of people, but that just makes it more likely that the solutions are going to come. Based on the current EVs for sale and the current charging infrastructure, you'd have a point. However, in your ten-years-out scenario, BEVs will be getting hundreds of miles off a few minutes' charge and consumer demand (a.k.a. your profit motive) will have ensured the charging infrastructure will be sufficient to supply the power. Yes, if you're daft enough to go on a long-distance holiday on a busy summer weekend without charging up beforehand, you'll be paying surge-pricing for your electricity and you'll probably have to queue at a charge point for a bit. Exactly like you would now for petrol or diesel in an overpriced motorway service station! You're right that BEVs are not going to solve climate change, but they do solve the equally-important problem of localised vehicle pollution and its very real effects on health. Hydrogen also does this. Either way, reducing the number of polluting vehicles on our city, town and village streets is a worthy ambition.
  9. I do not understand this argument, at all. Who are these people who need to drive 400 miles and then recharge within 5 minutes? Just because that's possible with traditional fuels or hydrogen, doesn't mean that anyone actually ever does it! Hydrogen has a lot of positives, but it is absolutely not 'the only sensible solution' for the masses when you look to the future. Nobody in their right mind would choose to visit a filling station every week when there's a better alternative. Range and charging time are already solved problems for BEVs. There are certainly other problems remaining, not least the energy generation question already discussed which is an equal problem for hydrogen. Purchase cost remains excessive, but falling rapidly. The current public charging system is undeniably pathetic, but it will gradually get up to speed as consumer demand ramps up. Really, the only significant longer-term barrier to universal adoption of BEVs is the minority who can't get easy access to home charging because they don't have a garage or drive. Even then, as the public and workplace charging infrastructure builds out, that will be less of an issue. A substantial chunk of people living in those types of homes will be younger, and will increasingly choose not to own a vehicle anyway. And once Level 5 autonomy is a thing, the car can just tootle off and charge itself at the nearest charge point. Would it be sensible for people without home charging facilities buy a BEV now? Of course, not. But in 10-15 years it will certainly be a viable choice. And, in 15-20 years, quite probably the only choice. I like hydrogen. It's got a lot going for it. But despite the handful of flag-wavers in the industry who believe in it, it already seems to have missed the boat. The current BEV charging infrastructure is appallingly shoddy and unfit for purpose, but it's still incomparably advanced compared to the virtually non-existent hydrogen refuelling infrastructure. Similarly with the vehicles themselves - production hydrogen models are still low-volume and prohibitively expensive, whereas BEVs are already starting to dip down to affordable levels. BEVs have too large a lead now for hydrogen to ever catch up, and as battery technologies continue to improve range and decrease charge times, hydrogen is surely destined to remain a minority interest irrespective of its many merits.
  10. On the PHV and the facelift Gen4 I would agree that there is indeed no reason to go for 17s, because the 15" wheel designs on both of those are cleverly designed to make the wheels look bigger. However, on the original Gen4 the all-silver 15s made some people think it looked underwheeled, like a shopping trolley. I always thought the original Gen4 on 17s was an unexpectedly stylish thing from some angles (especially in Tyrol Silver) whereas to me it looked gawky all round on 15s. For some people, looks are important. We all have different tastes and priorities. I personally couldn't give a monkeys about a spare wheel or a space saver, and that would never be a factor in any purchase decision. However, I do understand why having that reassurance is important for some. We buy our cars accordingly. On a completely unrelated note, what does someone on here have to do to get a negative reputation of -40? Did you run off with a moderator's wife or something? 😄
  11. Ten Ninety

    Cabin filter

    A 'pollution' is the collective noun for a group of stinking old French diesel rattlewagons. 🙂 Do activated carbon filters last longer than a normal pollen filter, or are they just designed do a better job?
  12. Which, oddly enough, was how I came to purchase mine last year. At the time, steep initial depreciation on the PHV plus low demand meant that at 12-18 months old there were quite a few PHVs available for less money than an equivalent Gen 4 ordinaire. In the time I was searching, it wasn't unusual for the cheapest Prius Excel with <10k miles on Auto Trader to be a PHV. Not sure if that is still the case, as I haven't checked prices recently. That said, nobody sane buys a new PHV because they want to save money. Nobody sane buys a new BEV for that reason, either. As Geoff said above, going 'green' is not an economic decision. However, very few new car purchases are economic decisions or else we'd all be smugly tootling about in Dacia Sanderos or trying our luck in the classifieds with a bit of bangernomics. I bought my PHV because I found it aesthetically pleasing (or at least less ugly than the standard Gen4), I wanted the adaptive headlights (which turned out to be hopeless), I wanted the joy of driving in EV mode for extended periods and I had a serious thing for that carbon fibre tailgate! Even though I paid less than what an equivalent standard Gen4 would have cost me, I fully expect the PHV will cost me more in the long term because its depreciation will almost certainly continue to be steeper. However, I do not care, because it brings me joy every day.
  13. In typical Toyota fashion, that article says 17" wheels are available and shows a picture of them. However, they are not available on the UK configurator.
  14. I think 31 miles might well be WLTP. That's about right for reasonable warm-weather driving. Winter is obviously a completely different story. The best I've managed in real range remains 36 miles. I am currently getting a reliable 34-35 every day. However, the range indicator is insisting every morning that I'll be able to go nearly 42 miles which is utter nonsense. Just for reference, I did some experimentation with manually resetting the on-board miles per kWh figure (which for no good reason won't reset with all the other economy figures) and found that a real range of 35 miles equates to driving at an indicated 6 miles per kWh. Something is clearly shonky there, as the usable capacity of the PHV is 7kWh which means I should actually be going those 42 miles. Clearly the miles per kWh figure is as inflated as the on-board mpg readout!
  15. All three, I would expect. I remember seeing the battery specs somewhere, and the Yaris battery is tiny by comparison to the Prius. It can't run the car engine-off at high speeds which is a big advantage for the Gen 4. The Yaris engine has less power, which might mean it has to be worked harder more often. It certainly felt like that when I tried one years ago, although that was far from scientific. And the drag coefficient is somewhere around 0.29 which is far from being a housebrick, but still notably less efficient than the Prius.