Anchorman Thanks for that. The only reason I mentioned that the RAV might have had a viscous arragement is because that what the link suggested for vehicles built between 2001 - 2005. We only put the front axles on the rollers not both, which is why I was surprised that the RAV did not drive off. I do not have a RAV myself this was a customers vehicle as were the two others, they wanted see what would happen, I drive a Landcruiser 80 series and a Skoda Octavia with Haldex4. I do not do text speak either, lol, whatever that means. Off to-morrow to have an hour in the new Range Rover, Euro