And if that doesn't work smack her. The UN has reported that the UK's kids are pretty much the worst behaved in the world, highest rate of teenage preg's etc... etc.... My belief is that Labour have cobbed it right up, kids are relatively un-touchable now and they know it. A mate works in a young offenders institution and the kids under 16 can do £5k worth of damage before they get a any form of reprimand, and these are kids that are already inside for being idiots.... My old man took the belt and slipper too me, and my gran had the hardest smack in the world for an oldy. Did it stop me loving them, definitely not, in fact I loved them both more for the fact that they cared enough to make sure I did not grow up with no respect for anyone. Obviously some kids will respond to just the scare tactic's, it didn't work on me - the slippers etc... certainly did. I don't have kids yet, but I will not rule out physical punishment and I certainly won't worry about what other people think.