and i post because i am utterly astounded that people still try and levy some kind of issue against LOC members, you will not see a single word of complaint againt TOC over on LOC, but ...praise for what a good weekend it was....for everyone im even more sorry to come to the thoughts that you agree with the the members of TOC, from what ive heard, you also did make a great effort to speak with LOC members im concerned that you feel that LOC members are the way that is being portrayed i post because i see through all the **** bull***** that gets posted on this forum, and come to say get your head out your asses, there only ever seems to be moaning and whining from TOC after JAE, infact TOC in general is always moaning about things...get a grip, and start working together. Despite that, it was still a pleasure meeting some new faces (to me) among the Lexus owners especially Mrs Mole (think I might have diabetes now ) Les why defend people...they have a forum to voice there thoughts. you say a two way thing, i said that twice in the previous post.......... as a side note, LOC had US servicemen arrive for there first JAE, knew no one, but they managed to mingle....and comment on how reclusive the TOC lot were!! i hadnt seen the picture before, but im sure it was a joke whoever posted it, and it sums up ubik all....only what you want it to sum up in your head. there is no reaction between the clubs other than what is Created by TOC members, always has been...and with the general attitude of some TOC members, always will be