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  1. The Aygo also gets the Toyota 5 year warranty, the Citroen only gets 3 years/60,000 miles, I think the Peugeot is the same.
  2. Yes, I was done on my 2019 RAV, and yes it's very useful when the car's hot and you're walking towards it. Also handy if you notice a window open after switching off. I spotted it in the manual and asked my dealer to do it before delivery - fortunately my dealer is one of the most helpful I've ever encountered. They did say they'd not heard of it before, and I was the first person to ask for it. After reporting it here, a number of other owners said they'd got their dealer to do it too. I gather too some have bought Bluetooth dongles for the OBDII diagnostic port and done it themselves. See also here for info that may help persuade your dealer. Be aware that one or two dealers have tried to charge a fee for making the change, but if done at the same time as a service it would be extra mean of them.
  3. You probably should expect to need to do the update for the map data - I've never received a new Toyota with the latest map version installed (even if the software is up to date). From comments I've seen on these boards, I don't think many, if any, have fared better.
  4. Presumably only for the main (full screen) Nav display? Or does the smaller Nav display in the Home screen now allow directional?
  5. I also had a recent Yaris Hybrid loan car last week - a "Y20" spec, 69 plate with just 4,000 on the clock. Plus, I once borrowed a 2012 T4 Yaris Hybrid and a 64 plate Excel Hybrid. Assuming the car's computers averaged 5% optimistic as do (almost*) all other Toyotas where I've had the chance to do tank-to-tank calculations, they averaged 55½ and 61 mpg (corrected) respectively, and 58 in last week's. Those values were achieved over 31 miles in the 2012, 75 in the 2015 and 61 in the latest, all gentle rural A roads and dual carriageways. All were in ECO mode with A/C on. This was inferior to what I would have expected on similar journeys in the gen 3 and 4 Prius I had from 2012 to 2019, and little better than the Gen one Prius I had from 2002 to 2011. Obviously, the RAV4 Hybrid will struggle to match the Yaris, but there isn't that much in it - I did the same return journey from between my dealer and home last week and the RAV managed 50 mpg (reported), 49 (adjusted for 2% optimism). Not bad when you consider the Yaris would nearly fit in the RAV's boot! (with rear seats down) I'm not sure I would be unhappy doing long journeys in one if it was my only choice, and at least the centre display between the speedo and HSI can display digital speed most of the time, but only if I don't want something else there, like the Energy Monitor. It seems the next model with have the partly graphic dash like the RAV4 and current Corolla, so there will be a choice of digital or analogue main speedo. I must admit, when I first had a test drive in 2012 I'd just had a 2011 petrol Yaris for a year and the 3rd Gen Yaris was the biggest disappointment to me I can remember in any car. Some of the cars I'd owned that were made in the 1960s were better for things like oddments space. The first two generations of Yaris (I also once owned a 2000 model) had a number of USPs, including: astonishingly good digital instrument panel that used a mirror system to seem a long way away and it greatly reduced eye strain and fatigue on a long journey (whenever I showed it to people they always said "WOW!") masses of storage space with 2 or 3 generous gloveboxes, with under boot storage on the 2011 sliding rear seat which gave either masses of rear legroom (with very good head room) or a generous boot or a compromise between the two - the 2011 allowed each part of the 60/40 split rear seat to slide separately (and recline separately) for fantastic flexibility (I once did a weekend break with four adults and their luggage and everyone has more than enough legroom). The 2012 Yaris onwards had none of these, and the poorest interior oddments space I can recall seeing in any car ever. The boot isn't bad, but the rear legroom is barely adequate and headroom terrible. The rear roof-line is so low I struggle to get into the back at all, and can't sit upright. I was perfectly comfortable in the back on earlier versions. I hate analogue instruments having got used to digital since 2000. Just driving the Yaris Hybrid was fine for me if I didn't need to carry rear passengers or keep my bits and pieces in it, but if they'd managed to put the Hybrid system into a 2011 spec car with all it's space and features that used to define the Yaris, I'd have one in a flash. [* the exception has been my current 2019 RAV4 Hybrid, which has been averaging only 2% optimistic.]
  6. A significant difference will be the 0.24 CD (drag factor) of the Gen 4 Prius on 15" wheels (which at launch was one of the 5 best aerodynamic drag figures of any production car) Vs the Yaris at 0.29 - a massive difference. Toyota spent millions shaving 0.01 off the CD figure from the 3ed Gen to 4th Gen Prius - just the wider tyres of models with 17" wheels puts 0.02 back on! I've never seen an updated CD figure for the Yaris since they introduced the horrible (IMHO) whale-mouth grille in about 2013, which would surprise me if it didn't actually make it worse still. That said, I can't talk with my RAV4's figure of 0.32, an absolute brick by comparison! BTW, the Yaris has become lower to the ground since the 2011 model I once had, and according to the info released by Toyota about the next model, that will be even lower, so I'd be concerned if considering one if it might cause the same problems with my hips that forced me to swap out of the gen 4 Prius. A neighbour who previously had a 2012 Auris booked a test drive in 2017 of the newer version, and found that was too low for him and he now drives a CH-R!
  7. I'm sure that's right, but having said that a number of YouTube tests of AWD Hybrid RAV4s have found the system considerably better in snow and off-road than one might expect. This one I found quite interesting, but there are many others:
  8. I seriously looked at the CR-V last year before deciding on the RAV4. This doesn't seem to matter to everyone, but the one thing that clinched it for me was the CR-V didn't have a spare wheel, nor anywhere to put one except in the main boot. That's something I'm still not ready to compromise on. The latest Honda Hybrid system as in the CR-V is a big improvement on their previous IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) version and a big reason I looked at the CR-V in the first place was it had a Head Up Display, which isn't available at all on the RAV4. Before I had it on in my last 2 Prius (which had HUD from 2009) I though it would be an entertaining and desirable bit of tech, but having used it now regard it as something that's such an aid to safety it should be mandatory. Even after a year and over 9½k miles I still HATE my RAV4 not having it and HATE Toyota for failing to offer something they market as a safety aid for over 10 years! If the low seat/floor of my last Prius hadn't caused major problems with my hips, knees and back, I'd never have swapped it. However, I do value the All Wheel Drive, even though I can't say I notice any difference in everyday driving. I had the 2WD RAV4 demonstrator for a couple of hours on my initial test drive, then for a couple of days before I confirmed my order. Both versions feel quick off the mark, and although the AWD is supposed to be 0.3 sec quicker to 62 mph, I can't say it was blatantly obvious to me, but then I rarely push my cars hard, preferring a chauffeur style of driving. (In fact, I let the Cruise Control handle a large part of my acceleration, which in ECO mode is pretty leisurely). It is also pleasing to see the Energy Monitor showing regeneration power from both the front Hybrid System and rear Motor/Generator heading to the battery. Although I may never really need it again, I do value the extra peace of mind the AWD system offers. I used winter tyres on my last 2 cars, and All Seasons in the winter on the RAV4. Once the original summer tyres wear out, I'll stay with All Seasons all the time. I too would stay at home if conditions were bad (even with my AWD - other people can still hit me!), but after being caught out about 10 years ago and fearing spending the night in a car in the middle of the Bedfordshire countryside, the extra peace of mind has risen in importance. We left home on a Saturday morning to do a 17 mile, 25 minute run to a cemetary for my partner to tidy her parents' plot. The sky was overcast, no sign of snow, forecast was for slight possibility of a flake or two, nothing more. Just after we arrived, we had the quickest dump of large flakes I've ever seen (and I saw a few in the 1960s and 70s). I called my partner back and told her we should head home instantly. The return journey took 5 or 6 hours, and as the main 7-mile dual carriageway to the town we lived in at the time was closed by the Police, we headed out on some country lanes. One particular hill was a massive struggle to climb, and at times we were over 3 miles form the nearest main road or building. When we finally arrived home, the intense concentration for that length of time left me exhausted.
  9. Funnily enough, my "Low Washer Fluid Level" warning appeared on the RAV4's screen yesterday very shortly after I'd booked my first annual service for next week. Mileage is 9½k, so I doubt I'll need to add any fluid before the service! (I have a bottle of water in the car just in case).
  10. nope, but this guy certainly lives in a cold part: "John" from Minnesota was a bit of a folklore hero in the early noughties for his prolific blogs about his Prius, staring with the orignial Gen 1 "Classic" soolon (sedan). Check out "1-30-2004 Eeek! -18 F degrees Couldn't resist photos like this... photo album 63" on "Personal Log #102" For non-Trekkies, the "1701" bit is his license plate, a harp to the Enterprise registration in Star Trek.
  11. PeteB

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    or the 'free' alternative, press and hold the lock button and simultaneously press the unlock button twice, fairly quickly. The little light will then do a double flash twice and the key goes to 'sleep' (aka battery save mode). It also prevents key-less relay theft of the car (but put the spare key to sleep too!). It does mean to you to wake the key (by pressing any button) up to unlock the car, but I just got into the habit of unlocking with the remote button rather than relying on keyless.
  12. That was only in what Toyota considered "cold weather climates". We didn't get that in the UK. The only times I heard about cars having this was people in North America. Apparently it could keep the coolant warm for a couple of days even when below freezing outside. Users reported hearing gurgling after switching off as the coolant was sucked into the storage tank. When starting up, one reason the engine didn't fire in the first 7 seconds was to wait for it to be pumped back into the engine channels and pipes. UK owners often referred to the delay as to give the chance to select EV mode, the button for which appeared for the first time on the Gen 2 Prius (but not in the US for some reason*). This may have been part of the reason for the delay too. [* Some aftermarket fixes became available to enable EV mode to be selected, one of which (from a firm called Coastal Tech) was a small circuit board inserted somewhere in the wiring that allowed EV mode to be selected and de-selected by holding the Cruise Control on/off button for several seconds.]
  13. OK thanks. Can I download and install these or do I have to ask my dealer please?
  14. Has anyone who's done the update found any improvements or changes that made it worth the hassle? I did one when I first got the car because the installed maps were horribly out of date and missing loads of roads opened in my area in the previous couple of years and one more last November. Since I use my TomTom for all serious navigation (mainly because of it's excellent traffic data) I don't plan to do any further updates until: I hear several users report that there are no issues with a future update, and it has something I actually want - like improved USB handling that includes Playlists or maps stay so the direction of travel is up (for the very few times I use the built-in satnav)