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  1. PeteB

    Should I buy a plug in?

    I agree too. PiP works for some, and as I said before would have worked for me but for some compromises I'm not prepared to make. My Gen 3 Prius was the best car I'd ever had (until my Gen 4 took that crown away from it) and I had been thinking of keeping it for the remainder of my driving years until the Gen 4 came along. Once I'd ruled out the Tesla, BMW i3 and Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (great equipment, love the flappy paddles giving 5 levels of regen braking, electric tailgate and memory electric seats), but the lack of a spare wheel again scuppered it. The Gen 4 Prius chassis, comfort, ride, handling (15" wheels), optional spare wheel and most of the equipment (especially Adaptive [radar] cruise control [godsend], speed limiter that works at 20mph, AEB, wrap around sensors (on Excel) with sideways rear radar when reversing out of a gap, lane assist, blind-spot monitoring, best ever headlights and much, much, much more, it's just magic. If someone offered me £100k to go back to my Gen 3, I'd shoot them! I can almost (but not quite) forgive the lack of rear headroom, suicidal (and very annoying when parked) auto headlights, useless (maybe on PiP it's better) auto DIP, rubbish road sign assist (latter two turned off), drastically reduced oddments space (compared to Gen 2 & 3 - my second biggest beef after auto headlights) and loss of storage under the boot floor. Even with the things in the last paragraph, I can't think of any currently available car at any price that I'd consider swapping to. A PiP would do it if they bring out one with 4WD, and proper boot, and lots of storage, and spare wheel, but I think I'd quickly turn purple if I held my breath for that one!
  2. PeteB

    Should I buy a plug in?

    It wouldn't appeal to me either for same reasons - plus someone I knew had their roof box stolen while having lunch en route to their next stop. They had used bolt cutter or something to separate the top off the rack with the box attached - presumably for speed.
  3. PeteB

    Should I buy a plug in?

    I'm with you on the first two, plus until tyre technology moves on, experience has taught me not to do without a spare wheel. I really miss the false floor - apart from being nice to have odds and ends out of sight and a nice clean boot, it made it so much easier loading and unloading my folding electric bike to have no junk in the top part. This was doubly true when I drove one for a year as a minicab driver in London. My Gen 4 Prius ordinaire has has cured me of a desire to get an EV or even PHEV. Except when the weather is bad or I do a particularly high number of short, cold-start journeys on a tankful, I get over 600 miles from a tank costing around £45 to fill from empty, and I only need to fill once or twice in most months. I did actively consider a Tesla Model S with the extra large battery and possible 300 miles range (as long as I drove very gently at 55 mph or less, and had no heating/cooling or windows open!). It would suit me perfectly most of the time, but a few times a year would be a liability until many more Supercharging stations exist, especially in the East of England. A return trip to Hull from the Norfolk coast near the Suffolk border, achievable in a day on one tank in any generation of Prius, would have been impossible in the Tesla as it would need a 24+ hour recharge from a domestic socket (if I could find one), as I was unable to locate a faster charge station on the route (at the time I was considering one). Also, I went off Teslas big time when I discovered no rear wiper, nor HUD. A BMW i3 I test drive had an optional range extender, but that was really for emergency only, and would have needed a fuel stop almost hourly until it could be recharged on such a journey. Also, no spare wheel (and if I nought one, it was fill just over half the small boot). Shame though, only other big downside was lack of HUD (now I'm so used to having one). A plug-in-Prius (even the first one with c10 mile EV range) would have been perfect for my current car use most days of most months, but the lack of spare wheel in the first one, plus added loss of rear wiper, one seat and even smaller boot made the current PHEV even more of a no-no for my personally. Until the spec of the original PiP was announced, I was pretty sure I'd be getting one, but the lack of spare wheel was a complete shock. About 10 years ago, I had occasional use of my firm's Gen 2 Prius with plug-in conversion. It did about 40 miles on a charge, and still had the space saver under the boot floor. Occasionally I got up to 1,500 miles out of a tankful of petrol, with a recharge on off-peak electric at home overnight, and at the office during the day.
  4. PeteB

    MPG issue after service and tyre change.

    Also, check the oil level. Dealers are famed for overfilling (they seem to want to put the claimed capacity in, without taking into account not every drop gets drained!). 5mm or more overfill has been said to hit mpg, and I've heard of a number of owners insisting the dealer removes excess oil after a service. Most Toyota Hybrid engines don;t consume any oil until around 100,000 miles or above (some not even then), and then progressively start to need a little topping up between services. By the time one of my Gen 1 Prius was sold with 163k on the clock, I put 1 litre in about 7,000 miles after a service (when the level was getting close to MIN) and that tided it over to the next service. Also, it's possible the new tyres need more pressure than the previous ones, so I'd suggest watching the tread wear for any signs of over/under inflation (sadly, this takes some time to show up).
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    Interesting ... sounds better than the Toyota option of having to go to the dealer for the setting to be changed (unless you have access to an OBD tool).
  6. PeteB

    Prius 2016 gen 4 VS Prius+ 2016 ?

    The Hybrid system of the Prius+ is almost the same as the Gen 3 Prius, whereas the Gen 4 Prius is improved significantly (I get about 100 extra miles per tankful in the Gen 4 compared to the Gen 3 Prius), despite the Gen 4 tank being 2 Litres smaller. The other main difference is the Prius+ has a LiON battery (presumably to make it fit in the armrest), whereas the Prius (Gen 3 & 4) have the less advanced HiMH. Some owners of the original PiP (plug-in Prius), which also used LiON technology, suggested it performed slightly better then the standard Prius because the LiON battery had some performance advantages over NimH, although I've not seen definitive proof one way ro the other.
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    Yes, sounds about right. I have to use the sensitivity adjustment quite a lot. That said, this is the first Auto Wiper system I've come across that I haven't wanted to disable. Yes, it's a bit of work, but most of the time it more or less does what I want provided I set the adjustment to the appropriate level for the amount and type of rain. Ironically, this is also the first version of the Prius where there is an option to turn it off and make the adjustment ring a good old-fashioned variable intermittent. Only downside, you need to get the dealer to do it or have one of the OBD connectors and appropriate software. Some owners of earlier models found that if they disconnected the sensor it also turned the system back into variable intermittent, but obviously the sensor system of the Gen 4 is linked to the other safety systems.
  8. PeteB

    TPMS on PHV

    My garage isn't used (the Prius will just fit with the mirrors folded, but I don't fancy having to sleep in it!) so I guess if I knew how to store them correctly I could keep them in there if I didn't have such a good dealer. I could then just pop them in the back of the car and use any tyre shop who'd give me a sensible deal for regular business. Doing a reset of the TPMS is quite simple using the settings menu in the top MFD via the steering wheel buttons.
  9. PeteB

    TPMS on PHV

    That was one of several reasons I decided to simply have my dealer swap the winter/summer tyres onto the original wheels. For a one-off £40 (incl vat) charge, they agreed to store the tyres I'm not using for 'life' (although I didn't bother to explore what 'life' actually meant!). Every March and November, I visit them (sometimes able to coincide with a service or recall) and a have nice breakfast in the hotel next door while they do the swap. That costs me £30 a time, all in - including vat, new valves and balancing. I've bought almost all my tyres from them since I bought my first Prius there in 2002, and found their prices pretty competitive, even once getting a London KwikFit to price match my 25% cheaper dealer when I couldn't get up to Norfolk before they dropped below my self-imposed 3mm limit. I decided that a few tyre swaps was no more harmful to the tyres than a few puncture repairs, and my service manager agreed. Certainly that's proved to be the case so far after four winters since I started using Winter tyres (also handy when I traded my Gen 3 Prius for my Gen 4 the 15" wheels were identical sizes, so I could continue using the same winters).
  10. PeteB

    PHV Battery Range

    This is something that non-plug-ins have always done when first started from cold, and something that still fascinates me after all these years (since 2002) of diving Hybrids. It's as if the petrol engine has been yanked away from the drive system and does it's own thing while the car is, as you say, effectively an EV (unless the loud pedal is floored) - even if the HV battery charge is really low. I understand the timing is heavily retarded (or is it advanced - I can never remember!) which makes it very inefficient at providing motive power, but generates much more heat to effect faster warm-up, which is probably why it doesn't drive the car during this phase. On the Gen 1 Prius (which didn't have an EV button) the ICE started almost immediately the ignition key was turned, whereas all subsequent generations of Prius and other Hybrids waited about 7 seconds after the Start button was pressed, primarily to allow time for the EV button to be pressed.
  11. PeteB

    PHV Battery Range

    If it's anything like the range estimates for the Prius ordinaire on petrol, it starts off being very optimistic when the car is new and gets a bit closer to reality as the miles increase. When I first got the car 2½ years (and 33,000 miles) ago, it was estimating almost 900 miles range after the first few fills, but settled down to around 560-570 once realism set in. This, in fact, is often pessimistic unless I do a high number of short journeys and/or it's cold/wet. My best fill so far is 623 miles since the previous fill, with the car estimating just 4 miles more, and my database calculating a more likely 43 miles left (not that I'd willingly chance it).
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    Up to a point (in my Prius ordinaire). I would say that it stops flow to the left (and rear) 60-80% of the time - my best guess is that various sensors around the car determine that in order to reach or maintain the requested temperature (and perhaps screen demisting) it needs to feed heated or cooled (or air conditioned) air through more outlets. Selecting the bottom half of the climate display on the dash MFD shows which seat it thinks it's blowing to. Quite interesting to display it when passengers are getting in or out. I leave my A/C on all the time except sometimes when parked in READY mode; don't know if that makes any difference.
  13. PeteB

    Cross climate tyres for Prius Gen4

    or the rust, new wheel bearings, dampers, points & so on. I don't miss playing with the choke in cold weather either. But the biggest plus for me is the safety - much due to the NCAP crash tests. I had a car drive hard into my drivers door in a 2000 model Yaris in 2001 and was uninjured despite there being no side airbags then! In 2002 my first Gen 1 Prius was totalled in a 40 mph crash, and again, I got up and walked out. If I'd been in any of the first 5 cars I owned in the 1970s and 80s (made in the 60s and 70s), the first one would have seen me severely injured and the second dead!
  14. PeteB

    Four Wheel Drive Prius

    And this was only a few days before the 4WD Prius announcement - I'm still not holding my breath on the other spec though. There's lots of little things that would be on my wish list too, like: Climate Control mini display showing fan speed and distribution while in Auto like the Gen 3 Prius did EV indicator in the HUD like the Gen 3... electric rake and reach adjustment (with memory) of the steering column to go with the electric memory seats little wheels to adjust flow from each air vent individually like the first 2 generations of Prius had full off option for auto headlights (as opposed to auto dip) more rear headroom 2nd glovebox little brake lights on the Cruise Control screen (as on some Lexus models) to show when the car has put the brake lights on (useful to know sometimes) Cruise Control can have a set speed down to 20 or even 15 mph Speed limited settable down to 10 mph
  15. PeteB

    2019 Prius unveiled at Los Angeles

    I wonder if 4WD will be sold in the UK? When the Gen 4 Prius was first announced they said it was available with the 4WD system, but not until the UK spec was finally made available did it become clear that only the Japaneses market could get the 4WD. I've driven Lexus cars with a similar set up (albeit using more powerful engines/motors) and it's great, so I had been really hopeful there would be a 4WD spec that appeal and I was gutted to learn that it wouldn't be available here. Why Toyota announced it the way they did, instead of saying up front it would initially only be sold in Japan, they upset a lot of people judging by posts on US sites.