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  1. ... Tyre compressors can take 10A and my cool box 5A so should only be plugged in when the engine is running although how hybrids know this is beyond my logic.

    on a Hybrid this mean "the Ready light is on" - the petrol engine doesn't actually have to be running itself as the HV system provides power to the electrics all the time the Ready light is lit.

  2. I had a plug in for the day last Saturday while my Prius was serviced - They had left it on charge all night, but the display said 9.5 miles - and that's what I got.

    One thing that did surprise me, was that once it drops to normal HV mode after the EV charge ran out, even with 7 bars on the display it would not go into EV mode like a normal Prius would, which means if I wanted to move on a driveway to left someone out, I couldn't prevent the engine from running and wasting fuel.

    Hi PeteB,

    Ive owned a Gen 3 and i remember EV mode being inactive for all sorts of reasons. Do you think it was the cold engine after being in full EV mode for a while ? Thanks.

    Hi dickfineman

    No. I drove 27 miles to home from the dealer, so the engine had been running a lot, especially on the dual carriage way for the last few miles, so it would have been quite warm.

    As it had 7 bars I instinctively hit the EV button while I maneuvered around my drive as I would in my Gen 3. I tried it several times later in the day when I'm sure my car would have taken it.

  3. Hi Sagitar,

    ... I would like to purchase a PIP next year but what puts me off is no spare wheel.

    ... I had a split tyre on my Prius after only 9000 miles,

    ... The AA chap said if I had not got a space saver spare wheel he would have had to call a tyre company out at my cost to fit a new tyre. Gunge would have been no good in my case. As it was at midnight I would not have thought much of waiting around for a tyre company or a car transporter to take the car home. Mrs would not have bee too happy either.

    The spare is a considered risk. I don't like it a bit and have made sure that Toyota understands the level of my discomfort.

    ... I have considered buying a skinny and may well still do so, but I would be likely to depend on the roadside assistance (and a taxi if necessary) if something went wrong.

    ...I like the PiP ... my average consumption is showing as 92 m.p.g. this morning. I am still on the first fill, have done about 300 mile and am three bars down on the fuel gauge.

    I dearly wanted a PIP too. I drove a converted plugin around 6 years ago and often got 1000-1500 miles on a tankful! (although the Gen 2 had a bigger fuel tank [about 2 gal] and the conversion had an EV range of almost 40 miles).

    Currently, I do short local trips first thing, again at lunch time, and again in the evening (OAPs taxi!) - it would so work for me.

    Also, a good way to get reasonable equipment and sensible 15" wheels - another message that's just not getting through to Toyota.

    What really got my goat was the tiny firm that did the conversion managed to fit a much higher capacity Battery under the boot floor and still leave room for the space saver. It hadn't occurred to me as the remotest possibility that a firm with all Toyota's technical resources would fail to do the same.

    I recently read on one of these forums about a PIP owner who had a puncture late at night and the gunge ran out of the hole in the tyre. He was 3 miles from home, but waited 3 hours for recovery and got home at 2 am next day!

    In the morning he had to leave the car jacked up while he took 2 taxi rides to take his wheel to a tyre shop.

    Before I finally settled on my 'ordinary' T3, I started to think in terms of using a roof box for the spare (then could have a proper full sized one!) for the one or two long journeys I do where I couldn't get my luggage and a space saver in the boot, but I also plan some pan-Europe trips in a year or two, but then cursed myself for even daring to think this - -it would wipe out the rest of the years advantages at a stroke!

  4. Even some Toyota dealers at one time didn't realise Toyota had been selling Prius since 1997 (2000 in UK)!

    Until the Gen 2 was launched at the very end of 2003, only 60 UK dealers were allowed to sell or service the Mk 1 Prius.

    About 2 years later a fellow Mk1 owner (we called them the "Classic" Prius by then) recounted on the Yahoo Prius group his trials in buying Wiper Blades from a dealer that had not been amongst the 60. The man behind the parts counter was adamant there was no such thing as a 2000 model Prius, as it had only been launched in December 2003 - when the owner asked for the Parts Manager, the man serving him admitted he WAS the Parts Manager.

    The matter was resolved when the Classic Prius owner almost dragged the Parts Manager outside and showed his "X" registration plate and the "Prius" Badge on the boot!

    Indeed, my first Prius was an "X", and my second an "02".

  5. Similar to the gen3 T3 then ;)

    Pop off the plastics and hey, there's alloys under there.

    Exactly the same wheels and trim - another reason I wanted a plugin until I found out about the missing spare wheel!

  6. I had a plug in for the day last Saturday while my Prius was serviced - They had left it on charge all night, but the display said 9.5 miles - and that's what I got.

    One thing that did surprise me, was that once it drops to normal HV mode after the EV charge ran out, even with 7 bars on the display it would not go into EV mode like a normal Prius would, which means if I wanted to move on a driveway to left someone out, I couldn't prevent the engine from running and wasting fuel.

  7. Definitely!

    In the Gen 2, most of Europe got heated door mirrors (even where they didn't ever need them!) and smart start/entry - something we didn't get until Gen3.

    Some countries even got electric elements in the Gen 2 heating system to help defrost the screen, warm the cabin and use the engine as a heater a bit less - now wouldn't that be great on the plug-in?

    In some countries some models have electrically adjustable front seats with memory buttons - not even an option here

    Nothing new though - in the 1970s British Leyland sold whole models in some other countries that we never got here - anyone seen an Austin Victoria for example? Or a straight six Marina that the Aussies got?

  8. I must say I've found the dealer I've been using in Norwich for the last 11 years to have been excellent. I've bought 3 Prius (all ex-demos) and a Yaris (new) from them, had all my servicing (and a few on a company Prius I had some years ago) done there and bought most of my tyres from them. I've found them to be very competitive on price too. They always go out of their way for me when necessary.

    A good example was when my Mk1 Prius 12v Battery failed, they ordered a new one only to find the wrong size had been delivered. As I then lived 100 miles away, they arranged for one of their staff to rendezvous with me on my way home from my parents on the Sunday and swap with the Battery in their current demonstrator. They then obtained the correct size for their demonstrator.

    As a point of interest, soon after that my car was totalled in a crash, and I bought the Prius demonstrator that had donated the Battery. It was still in the car and going strong when I sold it 9 years later with 163,000 miles on the clock!

    My present Prius T3 ex-demo was 6 months old with 3750 miles on it when I got it, and it's just had a 20k service and 2 front tyres, and has been perfect so far (touching wood!). They even lent me their plugin Prius for the day to play with (probably hoping I'd buy it - and I'd love to, if only it had a spare wheel - or somewhere to put one if I bought one separately).

  9. Thanks Pete for the info on the Hud-e I will look into that if I cannot get any help from Toyota. My point is that the info is available at the ODB and it should be simple update to show it on the trip information display ( or even the centre screen). I just cannot get to the person at Toyota to make it happen.

    These "marketing people" are idiot's who seem to be working against Toyota and its customers.

    I tried to get them to develop an add on to display extra info on the lower MFD, such as ICE RPM, coolant temperature, MG2 RPM using nice graphics.

    It's easy to download such things via a USB stick (which is how I updated the SatNav and installed the "Glass of Water" game. I even pointed out that they could charge or it, as many people would probably buy it if the price was realistic.

    Unfortunately, I think this is a lost cause.

  10. <snip> 2 friends who had older Yaris models have switched because the Yaris now has an old fashioned analogue speedo hidden behind the steering wheel <snip>

    I have an entirely different perspective on digital versus analogue. I can't stand digital watches because you have to "read" rather than "scan" them. I feel exactly the same about speedometers. Instruments hidden behind a steering wheel which also contains a SRS airbag is I agree, a real problem.

    and so it will always be - everyone has different likes and dislikes - I had my first digital watch in 1977 and find it takes me longer to read an analogue one, but that's just me.

    What I don't understand is why manufacturers don't come up with a graphic display that can show either analogue or digital at the touch of a button (or a mixture of needle/number like the engine displays on a jet liner). They could have a wide choice of styles etc., which could either be set by the dealer for those who don't do menus, or from the touch screen like some of the options on the Prius. Overall, by having a single system for several models, they could presumably reduce production costs at the same time as broadening appeal.

    One dealer I spoke to recently said that several of his customers had also bemoaned the loss of digital instruments on the Yaris, while another dealer said some of his customers had expressed relief at the reversion to analogue!

    If it comes to that, given the wide disagreement over wheel sizes, why not make it optional at the point of sale - how hard can it be? Really?

  11. ..and if you select EV mode within a few seconds after that the engine shouldn't kick in unless the traction battery is very low ( I picked up this tip from another post on the forum in connection with minor movements of the car e.g. on one's drive)

    another caveat: if you switch on front screen defrost mode (or left it on last time the car was 'on') it refuses to go into EV mode

  12. ... But is this range figure fixed or does it reflect actual past fuel consumption? If it is a fixed number then presumably it reflects Toyota's conservative estimate of what fuel consumption you will actually achieve.

    It uses recent fuel consumption.

    If I fill up my Gen 3 Prius after a long journey when I've averaged 70+ mpg it might show that my 9 gal tank will give 530-550 miles, but if I've spent the last few days doing short journeys it might show 470-500. It's still being cautious because 9x70 is 630!

    I've never seen or heard a spec for how far back it looks, but when I had a Volvo with a trip computer the book said it used the last 20 miles.

  13. Got to say I love the HUD...

    Me too - we're not all the same, but at least those that don't like it can turn it off. Fitting an accessory system is more of a pain.

    It's probably cheaper to fit it on all models than to differentiate - on the Mk1 Prius, they actually designed 2 different steering wheels for that those models they didn't want to have the switches (like all UK models) - we had to buy a £240 steering wheel as well as the switches!

    Surely the cost of designing and producing two separate steering wheels was disproportionate? (they were the identical in every other way).

    At least with the Gen 2/3 (and Auris/Yaris Hybrids) they just using blanking plates that could be swapped!

  14. Got to say I love the HUD... disappointed it doesn't have one. And aren't digital speedos much more common now? It;s almost like Toyota are running down the spec and make it a little 'lower range' compared with the rest of the models.

    Toyota seem to be going the other way. 2 friends who had older Yaris models have switched because the Yaris now has an old fashioned analogue speedo hidden behind the steering wheel (not to mention the loss of the sliding rear seat, rear headroom and oddments stowage space)

    One bought a Renault Twingo which has a digital centrally mounted speedo (and sliding rear seats - Renault started this feature on the original Twingo of the 1990s which was never sold in the UK). Can't remember what the other guy bought but I know he switched to get a digital speedo.

    I bought a Yaris in 2000 to get the digital instruments and fantastically versatile accommodation, and then had 2 Mk1 Prius from 2002-2011. I then bought another Yaris (last of the old model) T-Spirit with Multi-Mode transmission (which I loved, although some people hate it) and was dismayed to find it had gone back to dials - at least they we still centrally mounted so I still had the benefit of a clear view and less refocusing (oddly, the cheapest Yaris still had the digital set-up!)..

    If I'd known how much I couldn't live with an 'ordinary' engine again, and how much I hated dials like my Dad would have seen on his army vehicle in WW2, I'd have bought a slightly older used one with the digitals. As it was I made a rather expensive mistake - it depreciated almost 50% of the £14k I paid for my highly spec'd model in 14 months!

    I'm very concerned by the spy shots doing the rounds of the Gen 4 Prius which show Auris like instruments and almost zero oddments storage like the latest Yaris.

    Very happy now with my ex-demo 2012 Prius T3 with SatNav, cruise control and sensible wheels!

  15. Carltona 123,

    Have you checked that CC is an 'official' option on the Prius T3 ?

    Please see above - it really doesn't matter. You car already has a fully installed (right down to the bulbs in the warning lights) cruise control with the sole exception of the switch to make it work.

    All you need is a less of a jobsworth dealer and just over £100 for the switch, a few tiny trim bits for the steering wheel cowling, 4 screws and a bit of labour!

  16. I use cruise control regularly especially in speed limit areas. I think it is a must have these days.

    That reminds me - the one thing I wish it did was work down to below 20 mph. I can't see any reason why it shouldn't, especially on the Hybrid system.

    The Hybrid is so quiet at low speed, it's really hard to maintain 20 for any distance without looking at the speedo so much you might run someone over anyway! At least the HUD helps ('till they get rid of that too!) :no:

  17. Pete - can I ask how the Gen 2 copes with motorway hills when using cruise control?

    Sorry, I meant to comment on that.

    On the level and going up hills all three generations were fairly similar, and cope really well. I used to live in Luton and commuted to Bishop's Stortford for a few years, then West London. I've done a couple of trips to Scotland and Isle of Man, which have some serious hills.

    If you come to a hill that steepens quickly, you might lose 1 or 2 mph briefly, but it quickly recovers. This is because it increases the power gradually, rather than a lack of power.

    In Scotland my Gen 1 had no trouble maintaining 60 up a 20% (1 in 5) hill that lasted 6 miles, without reducing the HV Battery charge. Going down the other side caused the HV to max out. Reaching the bottom was interesting as you could accelerate really hard without the engine starting as it desperately tried to make some room in the Battery (there's no EV button on the Gen 1). I'm sure it would go up at 80 or 90 if there were no speed limits. The more powerful Gen 2 would have no trouble either.

    Going downhill is different in each version - the Gen 1 allows B mode to be selected whilst in cruise control, so it could provide extra control in hilly areas. The thing which really caught out Gen 1 and 2 was a series of undulating hills - due to the gradual throttle adjustment, the power would just be increased at you topped the first crest, and still be decreasing at the bottom and so on, so it could go up to 10 mph adrift if left unchecked. I had such a set of hills on my journey to Bishop's Stortford, on the A10 south of Buntingford. Using B mode kept it under control, at the expense of a little loss of regeneration.

    The Gen 2 switches off cruise contrail whilst B mode is selected, so you can't use that, just have to accept the over speed or use the brakes (or B mode on its own). On Gen 1 & 2, though, B Mode gave more aggressive retarding effect, but put less energy into the HV Battery - I don't know if that's also true of the Gen 3.

    The Gen 3 however, gives much better retarding effect down hills than the previous 2, so it's only on very steep hills extra manual braking is needed. From what I can see, it's using regenerative braking to do this, rather than wasteful engine compression of B mode.

    The Gen 3 T-Sprit Prius with Technology Pack adds a really interesting radar control to the cruise control, and this will also apply the service brakes if needed either due to hills, or to slow down for an obstruction. Some Lexus models have this too (sweet little brake lights are shown on the icon on the dash when it brakes - attention to detail or what?).

    The only annoying thing on the Gen 1 and 2 cruise control was that it 'forgets' the last set speed if you go below the minimum operating speed. This means, for example, on a road like the A11 with lots of 70 mph dual carriageways interrupted with roundabouts, if you let the speed drop below 26 mph on a roundabout, hitting 'resume' as you exit doesn't do anything, even once above the 26 mph minimum. That's fixed in the Gen 3 (and was never a problem in Honda Hybrids!).

    I think it helps mpg most of the time, but not going up steep hills, as it will maintain speed regardless. I often turn it off on hills if I want to ease back a bit.

    Regards, PeteB

  18. ... I love the car but it could be so much better if Toyota listened to customers and engineers rather than marketing....

    Indeed - IF ONLY ! :bangin:

    In 2003, about 6 months before the Gen 2 Prius (then called the "2004 model") was lunched in the UK, about 20 members of the Yahoo Prius-UK group were invited to a prelaunch bash at Twickenham.

    Nice sarnis, wine, a face-to-face chat with other group members for the first time (and the biggest line-up of Gen 1 Prius we'd ever seen in the car park!), and a chat with Toyota tekkies and the like.

    Then a photo session with a nice red left hand drive Prius, then we were allowed to climb all over it (but not drive it).

    Then they asked lots of questions, took lots of notes. What did we like, not like, what would make us buy it?

    I know for a fact that many of us said the same thing:

    • PLEASE: a proper spare wheel, not a space saver (several members took all the trays out of the boot to measure and prove a full size wheel would fit - they couldn't have missed that!).
    • sensible wheels (tyres for 14" wheels on Gen 1 cost about £40 each from a dealer! - tyres for my firm's Gen 2s were over £100 each, and lasted no longer - I spent £1,000 on tyres over 150,000 miles - in a Gen 2 it would have cost me almost £2½k! - that's a very nice extra holiday, thank you very much :clap: )
    • Heated mirrors an absolute must and very, very sorely missed on the Gen 1
    • the smart entry of the model they'd brought seemed popular
    • Would we like a rear view camera? - definitely (this did appear on the T-Spirit from 2006 onwards after a minor facelift)

    The chatter on the group afterwards was very positive. Lovely to see Toyota so keen to get feedback from loyal customers.

    I test drove a T-Spirit in December that year, expecting to sign an order on the spot. Imagine my horror to find:

    • 16" wheels
    • space saver
    • NO heated mirrors
    • no smart entry (not until Gen 3 - 6 years later) (but rest of Europe got heated mirrors and Smart Entry)
    • no camera

    The admiration I had for Toyota was very nearly completely lost, but for my love of the Hybrid system.

    From spy shots I've seen I'm deeply worried that the next Prius will have the same instruments as the Auris/Yaris, virtually no oddments storage inside the car and maybe no spare wheel at all.

    I'm having a test drive of a BMW i3 shortly, but suspect there's no spare wheel on that either - an absolute NO NO for me.

    Before buying my Gen 3, I very seriously considered searching for a pristine Gen 1 and having my brilliant Toyota dealer in Norwich do full restoration project on it, fit Japanese model door mirrors etc. But I'm very happy with my Gen 3 T3 with added cruise control, the optional SatNav, HUD, digital displays, rear camera, heated folding mirrors and sensible wheels. Still miss the Gen 1s virtues of full size spare wheel, two reversing lights, two rear fog lights though.

    Regards, PeteB

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  19. It never ceases to amaze me how unhelpful some dealers seem to be - Dingles of Norwich on the other hand, have really impressed me for over 11 years.

    You could try giving Darren in the Service Dept. a ring on 01603 480000, and I'm sure he would give you an idea (they charged £74+vat labour in 2002).

    If you can get to Norwich, I'm sure they'd look after you - I used to get there at 7.30, have a lovely buffet breakfast in the Premier Inn next door, and they'd normally be finished when I was!

    Regards PeteB (who's Dave?)