Well thanks for all your advice, looks like i'll have to investigate into 17 and 18s. Only doing the wheels and ICE so chrome money isn't really an issue. Currently get a lift to work in a black Merc SLK and they look phat on 20" chromes. So, so what are your thoughts on the Vibe Black air II 15" sub? 1 more thing, personally I think seo's suit thick spoked rims rather than thin oz superleggera style rims. Then I came upon these: Quite liking these too, any one know what they are Opinions welcome. Thanks