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  1. Clean EGR Valve

    The symptoms. The MPG is disgraceful this time last year we was averaging no less than 38mpg over a tank and around 42-45mpg when driven on a run with cruise control set at 70mph. Over Christmas we did approx 1500miles and have managed best on a run +4oc 31mpg driving with cruise control set at 70mph, when it was cold we was down to 21mpg and have now risen to around 30mpg driving like your gran going to church. These figures are a long way short of the figures that Toyota quote and of what we was achieving this time last year with similar temperatures, it may be worth noting the car makes a pinking sound at around 1800-2300rpm if you put your foot down and there is a small delay / flat spot in throttle response (not turbo lag) when you press the accelerator, I suspect this is the fly by wire throttle system but is it supposed to have a delay? How to clean, I did have to borrow a few pictures as I had cleaned mine by the time I made this thread. 1. Remove the engine cover, this just pulls up and unclips. 2. Now you can see the EGR Valve, you will need a 12mm socket, Ratchet and extension to remove this. 3. Remove these 2 x bolts 1st for the pipe above the EGR valve. 4. Now undo the other 4 x 12mm nuts and bolts from the EGR valve and unplug this from the wiring loom, this can now be removed. 5. This is now what you will find. Dirty manifold with 2 x blocked breathing holes. Dirty EGR valve with restricted air flow. 6. I cleaned these using an old toothbrush, small screw driver, carburettor cleaner, old cloth and a dyson cleaner to suck the muck out. Try to scrape and brush out the thick carbon then use the carburettor cleaner to clean the finish this off. Now once all this is cleaned out just simply refit, This took me a total of 15 minutes so I assure you this is very easy. The results This will vary for everyone but in my experience I did a 360mile round trip the next day with mainly cruise control set at 70mph, going there (more downhill) the roads where very very wet with poor visibility and approx 7oc and we averaged 41.1MPG by the time we got there. When we come home with mainly cruise control set at 70mph, slightly uphill most of the way the roads where dry and approx 3oc the average MPG had dropped to 40.0. When I filled up we got 37.4litres in the tank which I rounded up to 38 and worked out at 43MPG (I always brim the tank). This is now showing a big improvement / approx 20% for a 15minute job of cleaning the EGR valve. I will also note the slight flat spots in throttle response are a lot less than before. I would like to say a big thank you to cabcurtains for bringing the EGR valve to my attention and to twingo69 as I borrowed a few pictures from his thread to make this guide. UPDATE Ok it has been nearly 5 months and around 4k since I did this do this morning I thought I would check the EGR valve. To be honest the manifold was very very clean maybe a small less than 1mm coating of carbon and the EGR valve had a little more, I did clean this again while it was removed but in my opinion looking at what I seen today I would recommend cleaning this around every 12months or 10k. UPDATE Well over the next 12 months the MPG just continued to drop, Toyota claimed there was no problems with the car but by Feb 11 we could only manage 28-32MPG at best. I had also noticed the car had started to do a lot of DPF recycle burns and suspect the DPF was maybe on its way out, we had no warrenty left on the car so had a shop around and exchanged for a 5 month old 500 mile CRZ. What can I say but for sure the CRZ is one of the best cars we ever owned and was fantastic on fuel (49MPG average for every turn of the key over 9 months and 9000 miles) but due to the birth of Lewis we needed a bigger car so exchanged this for a CTR (FN2), I will say that so far over 7000 miles this has returned 29MPG for us which puts a quicker petrol car in the same area as the T180 when we traded this in. What never made sence was when we first bought the T180 we could get 40-44MPG no problem then at around 30'000 miles the MPG just started to drop while nothing really changed, we never found a cure for this or a fault but for sure this is problem and Toyota must know about this because they dropped the 2.2 and 2.0 Auris diesel cars and have now agreed to use BMW diesel engines from 2013. Why the worlds largest car manufacturer would need to use a BMW diesel engine is beyond me unless it shows they are struggling to get a modern diesel to be clean and efficient while being very driveable.
  2. The symptoms. The MPG is disgraceful this time last year we was averaging no less than 38mpg over a tank and around 42-45mpg when driven on a run with cruise control set at 70mph. Over Christmas we did approx 1500miles and have managed best on a run +4oc 31mpg driving with cruise control set at 70mph, when it was cold we was down to 21mpg and have now risen to around 30mpg driving like your gran going to church. These figures are a long way short of the figures that Toyota quote and of what we was achieving this time last year with similar temperatures, it may be worth noting the car makes a pinking sound at around 1800-2300rpm if you put your foot down and there is a small delay / flat spot in throttle response (not turbo lag) when you press the accelerator, I suspect this is the fly by wire throttle system but is it supposed to have a delay? How to clean, I did have to borrow a few pictures as I had cleaned mine by the time I made this thread. 1. Remove the engine cover, this just pulls up and unclips. 2. Now you can see the EGR Valve, you will need a 12mm socket, Ratchet and extension to remove this. 3. Remove these 2 x bolts 1st for the pipe above the EGR valve. 4. Now undo the other 4 x 12mm nuts and bolts from the EGR valve and unplug this from the wiring loom, this can now be removed. 5. This is now what you will find. Dirty manifold with 2 x blocked breathing holes. Dirty EGR valve with restricted air flow. 6. I cleaned these using an old toothbrush, small screw driver, carburettor cleaner, old cloth and a dyson cleaner to suck the muck out. Try to scrape and brush out the thick carbon then use the carburettor cleaner to clean the finish this off. Now once all this is cleaned out just simply refit, This took me a total of 15 minutes so I assure you this is very easy. The results This will vary for everyone but in my experience I did a 360mile round trip the next day with mainly cruise control set at 70mph, going there (more downhill) the roads where very very wet with poor visibility and approx 7oc and we averaged 41.1MPG by the time we got there. When we come home with mainly cruise control set at 70mph, slightly uphill most of the way the roads where dry and approx 3oc the average MPG had dropped to 40.0. When I filled up we got 37.4litres in the tank which I rounded up to 38 and worked out at 43MPG (I always brim the tank). This is now showing a big improvement / approx 20% for a 15minute job of cleaning the EGR valve. I will also note the slight flat spots in throttle response are a lot less than before. I would like to say a big thank you to cabcurtains for bringing the EGR valve to my attention and to twingo69 as I borrowed a few pictures from his thread to make this guide. UPDATE Ok it has been nearly 5 months and around 4k since I did this do this morning I thought I would check the EGR valve. To be honest the manifold was very very clean maybe a small less than 1mm coating of carbon and the EGR valve had a little more, I did clean this again while it was removed but in my opinion looking at what I seen today I would recommend cleaning this around every 12months or 10k. UPDATE Well over the next 12 months the MPG just continued to drop, Toyota claimed there was no problems with the car but by Feb 11 we could only manage 28-32MPG at best. I had also noticed the car had started to do a lot of DPF recycle burns and suspect the DPF was maybe on its way out, we had no warrenty left on the car so had a shop around and exchanged for a 5 month old 500 mile CRZ. What can I say but for sure the CRZ is one of the best cars we ever owned and was fantastic on fuel (49MPG average for every turn of the key over 9 months and 9000 miles) but due to the birth of Lewis we needed a bigger car so exchanged this for a CTR (FN2), I will say that so far over 7000 miles this has returned 29MPG for us which puts a quicker petrol car in the same area as the T180 when we traded this in. What never made sence was when we first bought the T180 we could get 40-44MPG no problem then at around 30'000 miles the MPG just started to drop while nothing really changed, we never found a cure for this or a fault but for sure this is problem and Toyota must know about this because they dropped the 2.2 and 2.0 Auris diesel cars and have now agreed to use BMW diesel engines from 2013. Why the worlds largest car manufacturer would need to use a BMW diesel engine is beyond me unless it shows they are struggling to get a modern diesel to be clean and efficient while being very driveable.
  3. 2.2 Mpg Problem

    We was happy with the car up until the MPG dropped by around 30% with no reasons to be found and then you seem to question your driving style etc, what we found when we wanted to trade was all the dealers were saying people dont want them because they are thirsty and the people who do want a 5 door (we had 3 door T180). What I will say there was a big difference in what dealers would offer up and down the country but in the end we did get a reasonable trade in value even though we lost around £3k in 2 years, now most will not think that is bad which to be fair is not but on the CRZ we bought and traded this in at a main Honda dealer and we only lost £700 in 9 months / 9000 miles of ownership but in the same breath one Honda dealer offered £3000 less than we got.
  4. 2.2 Mpg Problem

    toys and pram, may I suggest you stay with your toys in the pram. I would not mind but the comment was only an opinion on what we have experianced with cruise control (only ever drove cruise control with Toyota and Honda) and for sure the Toyota was or seemed to be very aggressive or was this the high torque of the T180?
  5. 2.2 Mpg Problem

    This is not really true the T180 we found was very agressive at appliny the throtle on cruis control were the Honda is not CTR and CRZ, I will add that with the CRZ we managed 62MPG using cruise control when Honda only quote 64MPG extra urban
  6. Auris T180, 57Plate, 45K, Fault Code P2002

    Very sorry to read this but will say this was one of the reasons we got rid of our T180, all we knew was MPG was going down hill with no explaination so I come to the conclusion the DPF must be burning more fuel as we was not driving any different to when we bought the car but the MPG had dropped 30%. From what I have been reading this now seems to becoming a common problem so I was maybe right. Hope you get this sorted ok and I would write to Toyota has you have nothing to loose but time and a first class stamp.
  7. Do I Regret Selling The T180

    16month update, well due to rear leg room and the birth of Lewis the CRZ has gone which is a shame as to be honest was one of the best cars we have ever owned. When we got the new car Honda Civic Type R I will be very honest and say I did look at an Insight (not old enough yet) and did look at a year old Puris which to be fair I could go for if it had not been the price, like for like 2009 model, around 10k on the clock the Puris cost around £8-£10k more and when I factored in resale value in 2-3 years we would just loose to much money and that was also thinking of the high running costs of the Civic. In the end it was a no brainer and we bought the Type R which over 6 winter months we have averaged 29.6MPG which is around the same as the T180 so we still have no regrets about getting rid and please note petrol is around 8-10ppl cheaper than diesel mind you I do miss the keyless entry and sunroof a little ;)
  8. T180 'cricket' Noises

    Hold the airbox induction pipe if it goes (sure it will) just apply a rubber washer to the plasic loacating pin where it is fixed to the body work, If I recall it used to sound like the dash or glove box was rattling when inside the car.
  9. Auris 2.2 Sr180 Lindop Tuning Box

    I bought a box from Kingo for our T180, the box is certainly not a resistor in a case and worked very very well with a noticable increase in driveabilty and power with no warning light problems on the dash either. Unfortantly I bought this looking for an increase in MPG if driven the same which in our case we did not get (ours was bad by now with an average of 28-32mpg drove steady) so I returned this for a full refund which was given no problem and we got rid of the T180 around a month later due to shocking MPG. My opinion if this is what you want then buy with confidence as you wont be disapointed with the results :) and the service was 1st class. Kingo please inbox me for paypal addy for commision ;) lol
  10. Sr180 Cheerio....

    It did when we traded it in and I had the low ash oil used at the service as well, to be fair it the main gripe with the car was MPG and if had been as good as it was when we first got it then the chances would have been high that we would still have this.
  11. Sr180 Cheerio....

    oops double post
  12. Sr180 Cheerio....

    Dave you are one of the lucky owners and to be fair we was for around 9 months when we first got the T180 but when my wife changed to a local job after around 3 months the MPG fell though the floor (around 30% drop over a month) and even cleaning EGR and even bought MAF cleaner and did this as well but nothing got the MPG back even on long journeys which we do a few of as my family live in Scotland and my wifes live down south, all what happened was over the next 16months it got steadly worse. What I will say is it did not matter if you thrashed the car or drove steady, long or short journy the difference on the MPG was only around 2-3MPG but did start to notice a lot of DPF burns (clouds of white smoke behind us) from time to time. I tried doing motorway drives keeping the car at 4000rpm for 10minutes to simulate burns etc but nothing worked not even 10 tanks of shells finest on the trot made any difference, why was our car like this? well we never found out as Toyota claimed there was nothing wrong all we knew was 30MPG was getting very hard to acheive and 32-33MPG was the best we could return even on long motorway drives with cruise control set at 70MPH and bearing in mind this was a car that 18months / 12k earlier I returned 46.2MPG on a long run (best I ever got). What is very consitant here is a lot of T180 / SR180 owners struggle to get decent MPG and no one can get close to what Toyota claim it can do (around 56MPG) in fact most owners struggle to get within 20% of this where as the norm is around 35% less than this, I pesonally belive that it was my wifes change of jobs which resulted in a 4mile drive to work instead of a 15mile drive that resulted in something breaking down (DPF on its way out) but like I said this is all guess work as Toyota had the car for 2 days even took it back to the factory and all was ok. I suspect you do well dave as your car has longer open road journeys as the norm as to be fair when ours was like that the MPG was good 42-44MPG every tank even though this is still around 25% less than Toyota claim can be done. I will add that insurance is a funny thing we always have Aviva fully comp £300 excess 2 named drivers apart from that nothing has changed apart from we get a year older every year T180 1st year ownership £320 T180 2nd year ownership £480 (yes went up a lot with no explaination but Aviva still the cheapest) CRZ £335 was well happy with this as it was a brand new car and worth a lot more than the T180 Swapped CRZ (think group 17) insurance to Civic Type R (thing group 35) and was charged £0 then when renewed 3 months later £320 yes Aviva charge us less on a Civic Type R and yes they was over £100 cheaper than others on confused.com As you can see from above it does appear they get the insurance quotes out of thin air because how the hell we pay less for a CTR than a CRZ or T180 is beyond me but I wont argue with them and simply paid the cost.
  13. Sr180 Cheerio....

    I went to my local dealer to complain about squealing rear brakes and they claimed it was unheard of and offered to look at them for a £50 inspection fee, which i declined. How common is this, and is there a TSB for a fix, as I may press this issue with the dealer now my rear pads need replacing. Just remove the rear pads and clean and lubricate everything up then when fitting the new pads simply file the steel locating pins a little so the pads slide easily inside the rear shims then apply copper grease, you will have no more problems
  14. Sr180 Cheerio....

    No Dave this is not entirely correct, when we got rid of the T180 the best I could get was 32MPG on a long steady run where as the CRZ we got 62MPG going though the middle of Nottingham late at night (Honda quote 64MPG best) so even though I did question our driving style etc I did prove this was not the problem and would also like to add the Civic Type R is returning around 32MPG all local short runs where as the T180 was down to 28MPG, I mean how the hell can a 198BHP petrol be more economical than a 177BHP diesel is beyond me. My honest opinion is Toyota got something seriously wrong with the dcat diesel engines and has they have now near enough dropped them all from their range along with agreeing a deal with BMW for diesel engines I think this backs up what I think and IMO this was the poor implementation of the DPF and EGR valves that causes the problems to which I think the reason our MPG was so poor was the DPF was on its way out (at 36k) which was not that good.
  15. Sr180 37Mpg!

    Shop around Dave, when we traded the CRZ in one Honda dealer wanted us to give them the CRZ and £2k to pay the finance off where as another Honda dealer paid the finance off and gave us £1k back. If the car is on finance (not bank loan) you always have the VT option which it did look like we would have to use on the T180 due to prices being offered and when we did trade this in the price we got was nearly 3K more than some garages offered for it. We did loose a lot on the T180 but to be fair we was happy with what we got in the end and was more than happy with what we lost on the CRZ as to be honest all cars depreciate with age and mileage.