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#1 Robert Payne

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 01:31 PM

Hi All,

First post in here, my partner and I are looking at getting a 2000+ Toyota Celica but have done our due diligence to discover the common 1ZZ-FE oil burning problem,

We're located in New Zealand and a lot of the vehicles we get are imported from Japan. We are really trying to find out if theres any way to be sure whether or not an engine is victim of only have the 4-holes in the piston rings?

Right now we're attempting to ask the owners of cars for sale whether they have any service history of fixing the issue but most seem to be completely oblivious which made me think that maybe it has never been a problem here.

Any help appreciated! We really don't want to spend so much money on a 90-100,000 KM one just to find it blowing oil and need a rebuild / swap.

-Robert

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 09:33 PM

If you are after a 140, you need to buy a 2003 model onwards. All pre-2003 (pre-face lifts we'd say here) have a design flaw that CAN cause excess oil burning, though not all develop it.

If you want 100% hassle free, then 2003 onwards. This will also have a spotted grile in the bumper instead of a small rectangle grile with the Toyota badge on.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:22 PM

Hey Edwardio,

Sounds good I think we'll just keep looking until we find a 2003+ we're not in a rush anyways and I don't want to waste my time with any sort of problems like that.

The engines here are 1ZZ-FE 143HP ( Japan Imports ) and the New Zealand New ones are all on a 2ZZ engine anyways.

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It appears a lot of pre-2003 models here may have the facelift?

2003 (New?): http://images.tradem...893678_full.jpg
2001 (New?): http://images.tradem...952170_full.jpg
2001 (Old?): http://images.tradem...475136_full.jpg


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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:27 AM

That's right the first 2 are facelift models and the last one is a pre-facelift.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:05 AM

Hmm so we shouldn't be worried with the Facelift? They still has the 1ZZ-FE engines which is what i was concerned about.

Just want to be 100% sure.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 07:34 AM

Hmm so we shouldn't be worried with the Facelift? They still has the 1ZZ-FE engines which is what i was concerned about. Just want to be 100% sure.


The facelift 1ZZ engines were redesigned to fix the issue. Just make sure you service it correctly & check the oil regularly. That was what was the cuase of the initial problem. Yes there was a design flaw, but if all the owners from day the car was bought, serviced it right & checked the oil there would be so many 1ZZ engines burning oil.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 01:01 PM

An update!

We're getting an inspection tomorrow on a used 2001 Toyota Celica link: http://www.trademe.c...x?id=473026639.

What's strange about it is it has the Facelift ( both front and rear ) but is labeled as a 2001, I tried to check everything I could in terms of model numbers etc.. but I couldn't find anything that would state it's not a "2001". It was imported from Japan to New Zealand but the odometer was inspected for tampering and we saw a full report about it and it looks good.

During the test drive it shifted nice and the oil was very clean and no signs that they had just "topped it up". The guy seemed pretty genuine.

We'll see how the inspection goes tomorrow but with all luck my partner and I will have a shiny Celica!

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 04:04 PM

An update!

We're getting an inspection tomorrow on a used 2001 Toyota Celica link: http://www.trademe.c...x?id=473026639.

What's strange about it is it has the Facelift ( both front and rear ) but is labeled as a 2001, I tried to check everything I could in terms of model numbers etc.. but I couldn't find anything that would state it's not a "2001". It was imported from Japan to New Zealand but the odometer was inspected for tampering and we saw a full report about it and it looks good.

During the test drive it shifted nice and the oil was very clean and no signs that they had just "topped it up". The guy seemed pretty genuine.

We'll see how the inspection goes tomorrow but with all luck my partner and I will have a shiny Celica!


The link doesn't work for me.

So it has the facelift front bumper and facelift tail lights?

The best think to do is contact Toyota with the Vin number to see if it's ever had the engine problem done under warranty. If they say no, then be carefull. A car inspection like the RAC do, will not look into that I wouldn't think.

On the test drive, did you take it over 6k revs for a duration of time? Max torque is reach at about 4.2k revs, VVT-i kicks in at about 6.4k revs.

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 07:51 PM

Hey Edwardio,

Sorry about the link:

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There's not much you can do about contacting toyota on japanese imports in New Zealand, the car is immaculate and appears to be a Face Lift model.

I'm not sure if I specifically took it over 6k revs, will it make a difference? I can probably do it today after the inspection if the guy is cool with it is there anything I should be looking for when it hits those revs?

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Posted 20 May 2012 - 09:22 PM

It looks like a facelift. Is the interior (all the plastic dash etc) dark or is it grey? If its grey its a prefacelift. If dark, then its a facelift.

The 1zz & 2zz engine are high revving engines, so to get the full performance out of them they need to be revved high. As I said earlier the Variable Valve Timing does not engage until 6.4k revs. This is the point when the engine is giving it's full performance. The car will have a little surge of power, though not as much as when 'lift' kicks in on a 190.
You need to take the engine that high (I'd take it to 7k revs) to ensure the Valve Timing changes. Basically give it the beans! Really push it in 2nd, 3rd & 4th.

Tell the guy you need to drive the car for a little bit of time over 6k revs to ensure the VVT is working. If he says no, then walk away (though he might not know it needs to go that high himself).

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