My Last Post On Runflats....honest

[Hoovie]

I think a poll on best driver lube would be a good one. Is Red Bull better then supermarket weasel-pee energy drinks?

[Big Kev]

and thanks to my yet again raising this boring Runflat question

Please can I start a topic "what the best lubricant oil and lubricant additive for my run flat support rings?"

...please, please............

......naw....

[crustyclam]

ok, so its nearly pay day and I'm looking to get my tyres sorted soon after. When I first started reading about these run flats i wanted to see what the BSR symbol looked like, so i went and checked one of my back tyres, sure enough found it and satisfied my curiosity.

Anyway i've been googling looking for the set of tyres to replace what i have and was checking out reviews for what i have fitted....anyway long story short....i have Bridgestones Potenza re031's fitted on the front, googling them i discovered they are not BSR tyres... i just assumed they are based on the fact that the bridgestones duellers on the back are.

What the hell?

So miffed at not knowing what hazard i have been driving i let one of the front and back tyres down to see what happened.

Back fully deflated:-

Front fully deflated:-

The front looks flatter to me, but i thought it would be lower really...but never having had a completely flat tyre, only slowies i am not sure if a ring is fitted or not.

If no BSR 50% less cost labour changing Tyres.

[CharlieFarlie]

Only the duellers with the symbol on are BSR tyres. There is simply NO other choice..

If the tyres on Your car have the Bridgestone BSR logo they are BSR Runflats.. If they don't they are not.

It is quite possible that the flatter of the two has a BSR tyre but has had the support ring removed at some point....

I suggested in the thread (Pinned) that deflating the tyres would indicate if the ring had been removed if in case that was suspected..

Running with BSR tyres and no rings will invalidate Your insurance.....

[Hoovie]

An alternative way would be to remove the wheels and weigh them?

The BSR garbage adds quite a few kg to the wheel /tyre combo so should be an indication.

PS. When I cleaned my Winter wheels up ready for storage at the weekend, I noticed they were the WSP ones, not OEM. cannot notice they are better then original (but were 2nd hand, so no idea how they were generally treated)

[crustyclam]

Only the duellers with the symbol on are BSR tyres. There is simply NO other choice..

If the tyres on Your car have the Bridgestone BSR logo they are BSR Runflats.. If they don't they are not.

It is quite possible that the flatter of the two has a BSR tyre but has had the support ring removed at some point....

I suggested in the thread (Pinned) that deflating the tyres would indicate if the ring had been removed if in case that was suspected..

Running with BSR tyres and no rings will invalidate Your insurance.....

The back tyre which looks more inflated, has the BSR symbole. The front which looks flatter has no BSR symbol.

I personally think the rings have been removed from the front, just not 100% sure.

[crustyclam]

An alternative way would be to remove the wheels and weigh them?

The BSR garbage adds quite a few kg to the wheel /tyre combo so should be an indication.

PS. When I cleaned my Winter wheels up ready for storage at the weekend, I noticed they were the WSP ones, not OEM. cannot notice they are better then original (but were 2nd hand, so no idea how they were generally treated)

I think i will just get it into a garage ASAP. A local garage i use has said they would undertake the work, and remove the rings and fit me new tyres, will be done at labour rate of £43.95 + vat.

[CharlieFarlie]

Only the duellers with the symbol on are BSR tyres. There is simply NO other choice..

If the tyres on Your car have the Bridgestone BSR logo they are BSR Runflats.. If they don't they are not.

It is quite possible that the flatter of the two has a BSR tyre but has had the support ring removed at some point....

I suggested in the thread (Pinned) that deflating the tyres would indicate if the ring had been removed if in case that was suspected..

Running with BSR tyres and no rings will invalidate Your insurance.....

The back tyre which looks more inflated, has the BSR symbole. The front which looks flatter has no BSR symbol.

I personally think the rings have been removed from the front, just not 100% sure.

If the tyre has no BSR symbol then You can be sure there will be no BSR ring inside !! It is NOT possible to stretch a non BSR tyre over the ring............

[CharlieFarlie]

Only the duellers with the symbol on are BSR tyres. There is simply NO other choice..

If the tyres on Your car have the Bridgestone BSR logo they are BSR Runflats.. If they don't they are not.

It is quite possible that the flatter of the two has a BSR tyre but has had the support ring removed at some point....

I suggested in the thread (Pinned) that deflating the tyres would indicate if the ring had been removed if in case that was suspected..

Running with BSR tyres and no rings will invalidate Your insurance.....

The back tyre which looks more inflated, has the BSR symbole. The front which looks flatter has no BSR symbol.

I personally think the rings have been removed from the front, just not 100% sure.

If the tyre has no BSR symbol then You can be sure there will be no BSR ring inside !! It is NOT possible to stretch a non BSR tyre over the ring............

An alternative way would be to remove the wheels and weigh them?

The BSR garbage adds quite a few kg to the wheel /tyre combo so should be an indication.

PS. When I cleaned my Winter wheels up ready for storage at the weekend, I noticed they were the WSP ones, not OEM. cannot notice they are better then original (but were 2nd hand, so no idea how they were generally treated)

I think i will just get it into a garage ASAP. A local garage i use has said they would undertake the work, and remove the rings and fit me new tyres, will be done at labour rate of £43.95 + vat.

Is that per tyre ?? It takes very little time to remove them Yourself with as said an angle grinder.. Why pay 50 quid a corner ??

[crustyclam]

The labour

Only the duellers with the symbol on are BSR tyres. There is simply NO other choice.. If the tyres on Your car have the Bridgestone BSR logo they are BSR Runflats.. If they don't they are not. It is quite possible that the flatter of the two has a BSR tyre but has had the support ring removed at some point.... I suggested in the thread (Pinned) that deflating the tyres would indicate if the ring had been removed if in case that was suspected.. Running with BSR tyres and no rings will invalidate Your insurance.....

The back tyre which looks more inflated, has the BSR symbole. The front which looks flatter has no BSR symbol. I personally think the rings have been removed from the front, just not 100% sure.

If the tyre has no BSR symbol then You can be sure there will be no BSR ring inside !! It is NOT possible to stretch a non BSR tyre over the ring............

An alternative way would be to remove the wheels and weigh them? The BSR garbage adds quite a few kg to the wheel /tyre combo so should be an indication. PS. When I cleaned my Winter wheels up ready for storage at the weekend, I noticed they were the WSP ones, not OEM. cannot notice they are better then original (but were 2nd hand, so no idea how they were generally treated)

I think i will just get it into a garage ASAP. A local garage i use has said they would undertake the work, and remove the rings and fit me new tyres, will be done at labour rate of £43.95 + vat.

Is that per tyre ?? It takes very little time to remove them Yourself with as said an angle grinder.. Why pay 50 quid a corner ??

Labour rate is hourly rate. They have not heard of the BSR system on the RAV4. I mentioned they would need angle grinding off as they required special machinary, and that i wanted the TPMS to remain intact. I also specifically asked if they would be confident in doing so. They said that the body shop specialist would be very confident in doing this, and is very skilled. They also do alloy wheel refurb, £65+vat each..mulling that over also. I think i can understand now why the few Toyota garages (well only know one) that will remove these want a disclaimer signing. I bought this from a main dealer (non toyota) in this hybrid mixed wheel state...they obviously had no idea. The inside of the drivers door label states the vehicle has runflats. i wonder if a Toyota dealer removes this when they remove a run flat system

[CharlieFarlie]

Mate read the Pinned post ??

But in answer to Your questions.....

Simply put the Dealer should NOT have sold you the car without run-flats at each corner !!

So You have a definite claim against them on legal AND safety grounds ..

Legal because they have sent the car out with a mixture of non and BSR run flats which would in the event of an accident make Your insurance null and void....

Safety.. Well in the event of a puncture and the light coming on You could rightly think that You could keep on driving.. This is NOT safe !!!

I strongly suggest You contact the supplying dealer Immediately and ask them to rectify this issue at their cost !!!

They will of course plead ignorance... But as We all know that is their problem and ignorance is NO defence !!!

Beware cheap Re furbs... You only get what You pay for !

[coopersport]

If Your tyres are worn out why not remove them with an angle grinder ? Should take no more than half an hour for each wheel and then take the wheels and get normal tyres fitted ??

The wheels will be perfectly fine.. There is so much BS talked at the Dealers and tyre fitters simply because they do not fully understand so will not risk

The replica wheels are a better finished wheel with a brighter colour anyway to be honest !

Charlie, How much did the Catania wheel cost? They do an enormous range!

[CharlieFarlie]

The four wheels were £750.. I paid another £750 for the Vredestien Wintrac tyres..