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In reality, I am comfortable driving smaller cars and bigger ones, with lots of toys or few, as long as they are practical and reliable. I started out looking at used Aygo’s, even contacting someone on the forum who himself changed down to an Aygo. The wife had a new C1 back in 2006 for the next 6 or 7 years. I found it fun to drive, so the thought of an Aygo X-Pression was buzzing in my head. We went to see one at an independent garage locally, got there and it had been sold the day before. So we looked at his stock and there stood a 2014 plate VW UP, took it for a drive, couldn’t believe how nippy it was for 60bhp, liked the drive, the comport, the practicality of a small car that didn’t feel like a small car, the economy, the build seemed better than an Aygo. Alas we couldn’t strike a deal even without part ex. Eventually I found a 15 plate Skoda CityGo SE Elegance 75bhp down in Bridgend, a long way from Cheshire. A week last Sunday, wife and I went down by train, bought it, drove straight up to Chester through centre of Wales…. Beautiful countryside both from the train and drive home. Still had the Prius at that point but was “doing business” with some online buyers ie Motorway, Better Car Buyer, HeyCar (no way for WBAC). Did a telephone deal with Better Car Buyer, was told a driver would collect, he is not going to haggle, he is collecting the car, he came (from an independent collection company), very professional looking, he checked the car was as described (not even a test drive), he rang Better Car Buyer, they took my bank details, money in my bank within 15 minutes. That was me sorted. The driver drove it away in the direction of Hull. Whilest that was going on, I was contacting the same firms for a deal on the wife’s 2010 Auris hybrid. Motorway did a strong bid but then cooled off. A company called Car Dough (or something similar) called me, we “agreed” a figure over the phone, they sent two “unprofessional” looking guys with a flatbed car carrier truck. They went round the car, took it round the block (literally 200 yards), come back, called me out and promptly told me what was wrong with the body (I was tempted to get my magnifying glass out), and told me there manager was offering £750 less then agreed. I promptly said thank you very much but you are going back empty and they did! Then out of the blue, Motorway sent an email, they had my car details distributed with dealers and the “auction” would end at 3pm (this was last Thursday). At 3:15 I got an email of the highest offer, and the dealer should be in touch within 2 days. Well I text him Saturday morning and he wrong and sounded rough. Not covid he said, but a bug, he really did sound rough. Anyway, he came round with his brother Tuesday just gone, we got on really well, chatting about our common interest, haggled a bit (£200 off, that was ok), and off he went. Meanwhile, the wife wanted an Aygo (she like that C1 as I did), but when we drove home in the CityGo she wanted one too (or UP or Mii). Last Thursday we went to see one in Wales (again) but this time on Anglesey. It as a CityGo, a 60bhp version, we put a deposit on, they were going to spray the rear bumper (couple deep marks) and we went back this morning to pick it up. So we both happy with what we driving now. It will reduce our car insurance quite a lot, we won’t have 2 cars at zero road tax, my car is zero (stop/start) and the wife’s is £20 (no stop start). Today I did a return journey of 170 miles, was putting into practice the hyper mile techniques I learnt in the Prius and got 69.4mpg, not as much as the Prius would have done (probably 75mpg) but I well happy with 69.4. Plus, I spent on the 2 Skoda CityGo’s just over half of what I got for the 2 Toyotas, so money in the bank! And I now have found a good independent VW garage that will look after them, and he is a motorcyclist like I was, so had lots to talk about. It’s a Win Win situation (but I will miss the Gen4 Prius…..an amazing car).

Maybe it's just me, but I don't ind it that complicated.... Press the cruise control active button (little white car symbol) and then move the switch next to it down towards 'set' - this sets the speed right there and then. If you want to go straight up to the speed limit then hold the '+res' button for 3 seconds, if you want to go up or down in increments of 5mph use the switch up or down. The distance button has 3 stages - far away, just right, German saloon driver (!) and the button next to that controls the lane keeping. If it is set with cruise control, and the car picks up the lane markings, then the car will auto steer to keep you in lane - works very well on A roads and Motorways. You can adjust the lane keeping/steering and it's force in the menu, but I might keep that for the next lesson!

Sorry to see yugo 😁

The bottom one - could be your sandwich box on the rear seat.....maybe the drivers side.

If it's the same as the Lexus CVT, it must be a scaled down version, because, if I test drove a Lexus and the gearbox was like the one I had today, I'd walk away. I'm not writing it off yet 😃 Test Drive done and order placed today for the Aygo Exclusive with Protection Pack and Superguard Protection in Chili Red. Delivery date given as 25th July 2022.

I know,any car is better than none when you're young and cab happy,as indeed was I. My first ,an Anglia 105 van with side windows was a real wreck with putty (soft sort) stuffed in the very large rust holes , luckily there was a newly opened supermarket near by that sold "supaloob" engine oil at £1 for a gallon tin. It used one of those per week. But how I loved that car ,it got me out and about , the seaside,the Saturday dances at the local RAF stations with acts like the foundations and mud on the bill. And of course to work to pay for this playboy lifestyle that I led at 17-18 .🤣

SPH-DA230DAB https://www.pioneer-car.eu/eur/products/sph-da230dab SPH-DA250DAB https://www.pioneer-car.eu/eur/products/sph-da250dab Where are you located ? 95% what's on aliexpress is utter rubbish, it's cheap for a reason - no support, warranty or little to no instructions - guaranteed until you open the box

Gerhard, I think you may have got the message now……… just relax, let the car computer handle everything, do not stick at one speed cruising for too long, accelerate and decelerate gradually (though nothing wrong with an odd brisk acceleration), don’t worry about hybrid battery bars, they look after themselves, no harsh breaking for a few hundred miles of normal (non MWay use). Personally, I wouldn’t bother changing the oil at anything but the Toyota recommended miles (they designed the car so know best), plus, remember because the car is running on hybrid battery up to 50% of the time, the 15,000 kilometres to first oil change is actually around 8,000 km engine movement ie approx 5k miles.

Here perhaps some ideas for cheaper ones. What is important imo is to have apple car play and android auto. 👍 https://www.halfords.com/technology/car-audio/all-car-audio/?prefn1=singledoubledin&prefv1=Double

They seem to be the same device at different prices. I paid £85 for mine - and it’s on a limited time deal. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Carlinkit-Wireless-CarPlay-Cadillac-Function-black/dp/B08RHNKRL8/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=2K9C7NOZB0EAY&keywords=carlinkit&qid=1650059822&sprefix=carlinkit%2Caps%2C228&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTzZDNTlSUlNQNEQ5JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTM5NjI2MVBWWFI2N0pJVlhPWiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwODgzNzcyNjhWRVdQR1VaSjQwJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfcGhvbmVfc2VhcmNoX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

Deffo check when you get it - They didn't even bother to actually apply it on mine, and I had to get Supagard to send someone down to do it!

Someone else was complaining you had to turn on the CC first as well, but in all the cars I've driven with CC *all* of them were the same! The Mk4 is the first one with steering controls rather than a stalk that I've driven, but all the ones with a stalk still required you to push the stalk 'in' to arm the cruise control before it could be used, then push up/down on the stalk to set/resume/+/- etc. I really don't get the issue - It's just 2 button presses and the cruise control is on (Basically up on the left-most rocker and down on the middle one). I didn't even have to think about it to activate it to use it - It's exactly the same process as it is on literally every other car with CC I've ever driven, even from other marques! Yeah those used stalks, some didn't even have the stalk in the same place (*gasp*) but it's still CC->On and Set, every time. If it's the symbology that's confusing then fair enough, as not every manufacturer uses the same symbols, but the Res+/Set- should be a dead giveaway to anyone who's used cruise control in a previous car before. Agree about the interior storage being sub-par tho' esp. compared to the Mk2 and Mk1's I came from. At least it's better than the Mk3's, but it sounds like the Cross is even worse than the normal Mk4 Yaris from what you say which just reinforces my belief that crossovers and SUVs are stupid. If you don't need the bigger boot of the Ecks version, tell them to swap it for a normal Yaris - Same problems but at least it's smaller, plus it gets better mpg and is more fun to drive (Or maybe a GR but the waiting time is a biiit long on those...)

It's the Japanese way, you just need to get used to it, at least you won't have a loud German bloke shouting at you now, 1st hybrid ?? Well that's going to be a learning curve too, it's a different driving style

3 across the bottom are the 3 rear seats, you either have something heavy, a child/booster seat, an unwanted passenger or a combination of the 3

Perfectly normal, on the side of the dash is a key lock to disable the airbag, so you can use a baby seat in the front - currently showing that the airbag is active (in yellow)

If it’s your first Toyota it is normal many things to look unfamiliar and strange. Perhaps you may need some more time and you will discover the positive side of been a Toyota, the pleasure of driving experience hybrids deliver and the joy of high efficiency and overall usability of the car. I personally went through a list of difficulties switching between different males but once I got use to it now I am more than happy with these cars ✅👍 Can’t help with anything else as I have a different model Toyota, it’s not a perfect but does it’s job well 👍

Just an update, the LED were at fault, new cluster purchased from ebay and its fine, I will need to get the milage corrected, appreciate everybody's help. Hans

Apologies Mooly for late reply. Yes, it is the 1.33L and it does consume oil especially if i use the VVTI a lot and high revving the engine but i guess with the Kilometers the motor has covered it is normal.

I have just recently shipped a UK registered car back to Blighty. The RoRo car ferry did trips all over the EU including Turkey before it eventually got into Portbury, it even stopped at anchor for 5 days waiting for it's BMW cargo and it ended in being two weeks late into Portbury. These vessels do pick ups and drop offs all along it's voyage and these vessels do cater for multi manufacturers and are not just dedicated to Toyota. Find the ships name and follow it's progress on marinetraffic.com

Was it one of these??

Were they the ones with dealers set up next to scrap yards ?

Are you anticipating a reduction in the use of your trusty CTEK battery charger ?

Crusher

Been to dealer today to sign some paperwork, so took the opportunity to have a look around car. Front of car was filthy. I know it will get valeted etc, so not much of an issue, but also noticed N/S rear bumper to body was misaligned. On checking, bumper seemed to be loose at top corner. Checked another car and it was fine. Informed Sales Exec who said he’d get it looked at. Didn't get to have a look inside, so will give it a good check over when we pick it up on 23rd. I always worry slightly about leaving car at dealer - they all seem to be packed in tightly. Just another week until we have it at home. 👍

Finally , after conflicting advice from Crawley Toyota and and indeed a refusal to sell me a skinny spare . In conjuction with Toyota Horsham parts manager ( Tim) I sourced the retaining screw for a full size spare wheel & tyre 235/55/19 ( EOM wheel located at a breakers , took some time) Yes a full size spare does fit ! part T51931-02300 for the screw Crazy to have an SUV & our roads with just a can of gunk

One of the few things that become better as you get older is car insurance cost 😃 Iain

The Up/CitiGo are quite nice cars - Must admit I prefer them to the Aygos just for the better gearbox and clutch! If you're not driving so much i think they'll suit you better as the hybrids are like diesels - They want to be driven regularly and don't like being left to sit around, whereas a petrol engine doesn't really care, esp. in simpler cars that don't have banks of computers wasting energy when the car is off! Don't you dare say goodbye tho'! I expect you to hang around and continue to write lengthy dissertations on hybrids!

A friend in the business is going to install them for me, but he's having trouble getting his hands on the brand he prefers to install. I think the brand is Aico. I'd be happy to use another brand but he wants to stick with one brand for his installs. There are lots of them on Amazon.

I had a Yugo 45 back in the day. What a car.

Dealer promised that I will have the car next week, just before I pick up my wife and boy at airport, so it will be a nice surprise, specially for him. His mum and myself never been much of car lovers, so don't know where this passion came from 😁. Last year, at the age of 5 he started riding his own motorbike and loves getting it dismantled and serviced with me. I just hope everything is done on time, which I am a bit sceptic about. With the two short weeks between the deal and the hand over, I think it is a bit pushy to get valeting, intermittent service and MOT all done in a busy dealer and its garage. Well, I hope I get the service and MOT because I remember the salesman saying anything needed within 3 months will get done. Car was first registered in July 17, so it is already recommended on My Toyota website the intermittent service.

Good luck...I hope they serve you well.

Briskoda ; I always found this to be a good forum about 12 years ago when I had a Fabia .

Excellent to hear that. Do those small VAG cars also require periodic cambelt changes? Golf always needed that along with water pump.

See my earlier post within this topic dated 28th March 2022.

Car prices have gone through the roof. I have to ask, since you've had so many Toyotas, why not another one?

What have you changed to?

I don't know about the older ones but the newer ones are very keen on keeping the battery charge around 50%. It will go over if you're on a steep downhill or able to brake a lot, or are going at higher speeds, but if you are going at speeds where MG2 can push the car on its own it will continuously cycle between the ICE and MG2 and bounce around the 50% mark. It's actually genius, and partly why the newer hybrids are able to get higher mpgs, as Toyota finally realized there is no point in charging the battery very much; Firstly, keeping the battery around 50% as much as possible greatly extends its life. Second, as EV people like to point out, all the energy comes from the petrol, so the best strategy is for the car to run the ICE at its most efficient rpm and loading to hit that magic 41% efficiency, using that to move the car and dumping the excess into the battery. As soon as the battery gets enough charge (Basically above 50%) it wants to switch off the ICE and switch to MG2, and will do so as soon as your speed drops below a certain amount or if you lift off for even a second, so minimize the amount of time it runs on the ICE. You can force it to charge the battery more by keeping the powerband in the Eco+ band, but there isn't really much point unless you know you're going to be stuck in traffic or going to be somewhere you'd rather run on MG2 as much as possible in the near future. That said, one thing I'd change about my Mk4 is change the EV button (Which is literally useless) to a Charge button, so I can explicitly force the car to charge the battery up for those specific reasons, as one thing I really really hate about the car is when it fires up the ICE to charge the battery while I'm stationary in traffic. (I suspect it's not so bad in the 4-cylinder Corollas, but in the 3-cylinder Yaris it's reaaallly obnoxious!)

The conventional wisdom in normal cars is to be gentle, but use as much of the rev range as possible during the wear-in period, so don't accelerate hard but let the revs climb naturally - What you should try to avoid is holding the same RPM for long periods, as it won't wear in the bores evenly. If you never touch the high RPMs at all over a longer period there is a risk a 'lip' will develop at the top of the bore which may get punched out. With modern engines, esp. Toyotas, it's not such an issue as the tolerances are so insanely tight and the bores and pistons all have special hardened coatings specifically to stop them wearing and to hold onto oil better so as long as you don't rag on it right from the get go it'll be fine. The hybrids don't really give you much authority over what the ICE does anyway, so just drive normally and let it do its thing.

I know it’s not Toyota related but Iv had a VW Tiguan on order now since last August (with a part ex involved too). In this time i’v missed 2 VW price rises by around 5% on the price and the deposit contribution of £1750 from VW has now gone. I’v been told build for June with delivery in July (that’s if they can find a supplier for their wiring looms as they were made in Ukraine!). the dealership has made many guarantees that the price will stay the same - everything will be honoured. I reckon VW have a part to play too in honouring prices for customers who have already placed orders (Iv also had letters from the manufacture apologising). The wait times are incredible at the moment, especially for VW group vehicles, however on the plus side - I’ll be in a bizarre situation where when the car does arrive it will be worth more than I paid in this current climate!

Ah but my point was that my order did not take longer, they were spot on. Looking at the recent replies, looks like orders are coming through nicely for others too.

Keep on top of maintenance, and you will be fine, use the correct grade of oil ect Ford, at least they circled the problem, the durashift is awful gearbox if it's your first hybrid it’s a very different way of driving once up to speed be very light on the throttle, you only really need the top 1/4 to 1/3 of throttle, learn to coast up to junctions and down hills, easy on the brakes, if you boot it everywhere your MPG will take a hit it's all about smoothness and flow

If I was in your situation and can afford it I’d take out a plan what I mean by that is with all the price rises I’d expect it to go up if you pay yearly , I’ve a five year service plan on a merc for this reason . On my Toyota car I service myself and have noticed each time I buy the parts and oil they’ve gone up .

... and the connections to the battery.

If Toyota wont cover it under warranty you could look to having the wheel re-trimmed by one of the specialists. This would be much cheaper than a new one and would probably be a far better quality leather and stitching to boot! I have no personal experience of their work although a company called 'Royal' seem to be well regarded on various forums etc.

Being used for business I feel that as your car has so many drivers all probably using so many different products on their hands, and all with different skin conditions, goes against you in terms of a warranty claim. Although it still points to the leather wheel not being fit for purpose. Personally if the warranty don't cough up I would have it recovered which wouldn't cost that much and would be as good if not better than new 👍 Iain

Oooh that is rare - Not seen many 1.8 SR's in the wild! (Lots of 1.3's but less so the 1.8's!) What's it drive like? There used to be a bit of rivalry between the Mk1 T-Sport people and the 1.8SR over who had the faster car The T-Sport had better acceleration (Hard to beat lightness!) but the SR I think had the higher top speed.

Oh yes. My 2010 Prius has slowly been losing paint for about 4 years. Dealer said, "sorry, out of warranty" numerous times. Both front A-pillars, above the windshield and random spots all around. Every time I wash it, the spots get bigger. Happens here in Canada too!

Anyone know what this is for??