What is the point of hybrids

[Longcock]

I'm sorry because this isn't anything to do with the survey but 52 mpg ? That is very disappointing I have a 2001 rav4 2.0 d4d that can almost reach them mpg and a 2005 avensis 2.0 d4d that gets between 47 and 55 mpg depending on what type of driving sorry but I thought these new hybrid cars would get at least 70 mpg sorry again as it's not part of the survey 

[Longcock]

Hi again Im just really confused about all these new hybrid cars I've spoken to two people with them one had a bmw wich was very expensive and nothing flash he was bragging about 40 mpg I didn't say anything to upset him but really that's not saving anything . The other man had a new rav4 hybrid i must say it was very nice but again bragging of high 40s so told him my old rav4 2.0 d4d gets that I think he thought I lying I'm just wondering what's the point in these hybrids

[Catlover]

Maybe it’s not all about mpg.  My Prius Gen4 is averaging over 73mpg and that’s over 25300 miles since new (but I only done the last 4700). BUT I get a big satisfaction that I can be driving through a smallish village which has a junior school next to the road and I can be going through that village with zero emissions., and there is a few of them round where I live. That to me is as important as 73mpg.

on the point of mpg, when I picked the car up from a Toyota dealer 100 miles away, on the way home the car averaged out at 91.x mpg, I posted a photo of my dashboard on here to show it.

Another point about hybrids, the Battery respond to the weather. The mpg is lower in cold weather (but mine is still doing over 73mpg average). Now it’s getting warmer the mpg will get better.

Another point, the right foot makes a big difference, as with any car. No disrespect to anyone doing low mpg, but there is a way to drive a hybrid and YouTube is full of videos giving tips that work. 

[Heidfirst]

2 hours ago, Longcock said:

I'm sorry because this isn't anything to do with the survey but 52 mpg ? That is very disappointing I have a 2001 rav4 2.0 d4d that can almost reach them mpg and a 2005 avensis 2.0 d4d that gets between 47 and 55 mpg depending on what type of driving sorry but I thought these new hybrid cars would get at least 70 mpg sorry again as it's not part of the survey 

As Joes says it's not all just about the mpg. They will be a lot cleaner in terms of exhaust & also any modern car will have a lot more safety systems (& hence are heavier which is a negative for mpg) than your old diesels. There definitely are usages under which a diesel will return better mpg than a hybrid but similarly there are usages under which the hybrid will return better than a diesel.

Also, consider that not all hybrids are equal - there are different types https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/96154/what-is-a-hybrid-car-mild-hybrids-full-hybrids-and-plug-in-hybrids-explained .

[Longcock]

That is impressive well done but have you any idea how much damage has been done to the planet even before you bought the car just by building it honestlylook in to it it's terrible not only that it's how people have been paid to produce some of the parts so sorry the environment isn't an argument we are at the moment being cond and a lot of people are buying in to it these hybrids are a sales agents dream but if people with hybrids enjoy them then good luck 

[Heidfirst]

6 minutes ago, Longcock said:

That is impressive well done but have you any idea how much damage has been done to the planet even before you bought the car just by building it honestlylook in to it it's terrible not only that it's how people have been paid to produce some of the parts so sorry the environment isn't an argument we are at the moment being cond and a lot of people are buying in to it these hybrids are a sales agents dream but if people with hybrids enjoy them then good luck 

It depends upon how you look at it whether or not EFV/hybrids have a higher whole life environmental cost or not - it can be spun like anything else. However, any modern car in Western Europe will be safer & have a cleaner exhaust than your old diesels.

You aren't going to have much choice in 10 or 15 years time due to legislation ...

[Longcock]

That's fine but I'm not sure how long the Battery pack lasts what I mean is full life expectancy at full performance and also how much it costs to replace. Also I do understand we won't have a choice in the future but they will be a lot better as hybrids are only at a primary stage at the moment and hopefully will have less of an impact on the planet and pocket in the future dose anyone know the cost on the Battery pack .

[Heidfirst]

Well, Toyota have been selling hybrids for over 10 years & millions of vehicles so imo they are past the primary stage.

Toyota will also warranty the drive Battery for up to 15 years subject to annual/10,000 mile inspections (Hybrid Health Check, foc as part of a service at a Toyota dealer) although obviously one should expect some deterioration in performance over that time. Battery replacement varies according to vehicle (there are different types, capacities & production volumes come into but my understanding is that for a Toyota Auris/CH-R/Prius it is £1100-1200 https://www.toyota.co.uk/hybrid/hybrid-faq/batteries)

[Longcock]

Wow that is expensive and I hope they are in a primary stage because they aren'tmuch good at the minute bmw only does up to 20 miles without using a hungry engine pretty pointless to most people but like I said before if people like them then fair enough 

[_dct_]

Why do people just keep feeding this troll?

[Billyboy81]

5 minutes ago, _dct_ said:

Why do people just keep feeding this troll?

I thought Stephen was trying to have a sensible conversation from a different viewpoint. Hydrogen fuel cell is the future and, once the infrastructure is in place, hybrids and EVs will be forgotten about. Just my opinion, not trolling 😀 

[Longcock]

I take it you have a hybrid and don't like people having an opinion but sorry I don't mean to upset anyone especially if they are a bit touchy about their car most people try and tell them selves they have done the right thing and make their car sound a bit better and only slag it off once it's gone sorry if I upset you it's just my opinion 

[Longcock]

That's not direcredit to billy boy and thanks for the back up 

[FROSTYBALLS]

19 minutes ago, _dct_ said:

Why do people just keep feeding this troll?

At the end of the day, members are quite entitled to ask questions and voice opinions provided the posts comply with the club's terms and conditions. The fact that a member's question or opinion may not fit with another member's opinion doesn't make them a troll.

Constructive comments in support of hybrids would be more appropriate.

Please move on !

[Longcock]

Yes you are right I joined this forum to try and help people not upset them I've been working on vehicles for almost 30 years and only ever took any of mine to a garage for mot's but it did get people talking lol thanks and sorry everyone let's move on 

[Catlover]

3 hours ago, Longcock said:

Wow that is expensive and I hope they are in a primary stage because they aren'tmuch good at the minute bmw only does up to 20 miles without using a hungry engine pretty pointless to most people but like I said before if people like them then fair enough 

The big Battery is expensive, but I cant remember anyone saying they had to change one.    Remember, a petrol or diesel car has a starter motor, an alternator, a clutch assembly. How much do they cost when they go, and thats likely to be more frequent then a big Battery. Dont know about other manufacturers hybrids but Toyota Prius/Auris, plus others in the range and Lexus, do not have such wearable parts.

How much warranty would you like on the big Battery. See Heidfirst last post. I thought the Toyota warranty ran up to 10 years, but if you have it checked during the last year (week 52 if you like) then it makes 11 years. I think that shows Toyota have faith in their product.

My on board computer shows that, on average, over 50% of journeys are on electric. Whats wrong with that.?????

I used to be a diesel owner - for the last 26 years before changing to Toyota Hybrid (Auris/Prius), my diesels were doing over 60mpg mostly (Yaris and Quashqai), was sorry to let them go, but times are moving forward. No doubt soon, when battery technology means smaller/lighter batteries/lasting longer, Toyota will come out with pure battery cars. Until then I think a Hybrid is the way to go, self recharging battery, not tied to a cable. 

[Mike J.]

3 hours ago, Longcock said:

Wow that is expensive …...

The Toyota NIMH Battery packs are made up from individual cells - the Yaris has 20 in a stack - bigger cars have more. There are places that can open the stacks and just replace the failed items. Search eBay for secondhand tested cells and youtube for how to do it if you are brave enough to diy!

[FROSTYBALLS]

9 minutes ago, Catlover said:

I thought the Toyota warranty ran up to 10 years, but if you have it checked during the last year (week 52 if you like) then it makes 11 years.

Toyota's hybrid Battery extended cover has recently been changed to provide a longer period of cover - an extract from the website shows:

 "On top of the generous 5 year or 100,000 mile Hybrid Battery Warranty, customers can benefit from our Hybrid Battery Extended Cover which ensures an additional year or 10,000 miles (whichever comes sooner) of cover. This can be renewed up to the 15th anniversary of the car's registration, with no limit on total mileage. 

Hybrid Battery Extended Cover is included when you have a Hybrid Electric Service carried out on your vehicle by a Toyota Hybrid Electric Specialist."

 

https://www.toyota.co.uk/owners/warranty/toyota-warranty

[Parts-King]

I drive a Hybrid (company car-my choice)

• Good MPG (what other 1.8 AUTO will give me average 55 mpg)
• Low emissions 
• Low BIK (tax) 

The Prius was introduced TWENTY TWO years ago, proven Hybrid technology, many used in the taxi trade (Uber and PH) HV Batteries now priced at around £1000, I can honestly say we have only ever fitted a small handful of new HV batteries in those 22 years. It is not just about MPG

[Mike J.]

3 hours ago, Longcock said:

….. bmw only does up to 20 miles without using a hungry engine pretty pointless to most people.

Lots of people only do short journeys - I do a few short journeys per day, each less than 20 miles. If you combine a plugin hybrid with solar panels (and a bright day) your 4kW system will add 12 miles per plugged in hour. Result - pollution free driving.

The UK government has this vision of the future - houses with solar panels, plugged in cars charging up via panels or cheap rate electricity, said cars feeding back electricity when demand rises - all this will smooth out electricity generation demands. Check out how Tesla Battery farms help electricity grid systems - plugged in cars will do the same in this future. 

[FROSTYBALLS]

Mike J - "Toyota Model: Yaris Hybrid T Spirit - sold ....."

Please update your profile with your current vehicle.

[Longcock]

Sorry again but im not going to bang on any more about hybrids the simple fact is that they aren't the future and not any good to me I've been asked to move on so I am and agree I should like I said I didn't want to upset anyone wich it clearly has if you read the post about me being a troll I personally thought it was good crack sorry and thanks to a few 

[FROSTYBALLS]

The request to move on was targeted towards the member who complained about trolling.

[Heidfirst]

4 hours ago, Longcock said:

Wow that is expensive and I hope they are in a primary stage because they aren'tmuch good at the minute bmw only does up to 20 miles without using a hungry engine pretty pointless to most people

cheaper than a new DPF on a diesel which definitely will need replaced at some point in a vehicles lifetime (assuming not crashed etc. & life shortened). Presumably similar for the petrol particulate filters now coming in on petrol engines. Under Toyota's hybrid system "gearboxes" are more reliable so less maintenance & therefore expense over 100s of thousands of miles.

As I said earlier there are usage profiles where diesels will work out better but similarly there are usage profiles where hybrids will beat diesels.

37 minutes ago, Longcock said:

im not going to bang on any more about hybrids the simple fact is that they aren't the future

nor are diesel or petrol ICEs ...

[Longcock]

Oops sorry I'm not the brightest am I ? But I am upsetting some people but anyway I have a 2001 rav4 2.0d4d and a 2005 avensis 2.0 d4d but for my sins and I think some of these hybrid owners won't like my 1999 bmw e46 328ci but honestly it's a pleasure also I could easily list any new parts it's had very few so in that respect it's good for the planet but it has 247 bhp and gets 21 mpg if I take it easy so sorry everyone but I've had I for ever