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Brakes - looking to explore options/recommendations on:

A) Brake pads - OEM vs alternative suggestions.

B) Brake rotors - OEM vs alternative suggestions.

Car is 10 years old & has 63,000 on the clock.
 

I feel it will soon be time to change the pads (at a minimum) & possibly - might get the rotors done at the same time as the car will be up on the lift anyway.

This post is intended to be an exploration of the topic - focusing on technical aspects.

K

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If you need replacement at that mileage it will be very likely because of rust, you can check dealer oem for prices, either way you go oem or aftermarket the parts itself not so important as you can’t go wrong really with those unless you buy fake ones sold for original or cheap nasty parts. More importantly here is to clean and lubricate all sliding pins, callipers, and change the brake fluid flush, the system . I use myself EBC Ultimax pads as these are very good and grippy, discs Blueprint or Brembo or anything actually., good to be with anti corrosion paint as Toyota hybrids suffer from rusty brakes since the car slows down with its e motor and brakes does do much only clips before you stop completely or if you are hard on the brakes. 👍

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1 hour ago, Kojac said:

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Brakes - looking to explore options/recommendations on:

A) Brake pads - OEM vs alternative suggestions.

B) Brake rotors - OEM vs alternative suggestions.

Car is 10 years old & has 63,000 on the clock.
 

I feel it will soon be time to change the pads (at a minimum) & possibly - might get the rotors done at the same time as the car will be up on the lift anyway.

This post is intended to be an exploration of the topic - focusing on technical aspects.

K

Just a tip, until tomorrow there is a huge sale at Eurocarparts for brake components (I'm literally just having to order some now!) Should have been £61 for a set of Brembo pads for the rear of my SR180, due to the discount code WISHLIST99 I have got them for £30. They do often have sale on for these, but I'm not sure how long that specific discount code will work!

I agree with TonyHSD, essentially any brand will be good, as long as you buy them from a reputable place, or are incredibly careful in Ebay. From memory, the more expensive pads tend to ware a little faster due to being made of slightly softer material (Someone please correct me if I am wrong), however they do tend to be quieter!

Personally I have gone with Brembo for the front and back on mine, one because it's being a bit brand-snobby, and two because I managed to get ridiculous discounts on them! However the two brands I would feel most comfortable recommending is Pagid and Brembo. But like I said above, as long as they are from a reputable company, I wouldn't worry too much about a performance difference!

I hope this helps!

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I don't know what you want, but on my 07 1.6 (non hybrid) I have:

 

Zimmermann Sport 590.2802.52 discs up front
Zimmermann Sport 590.2804.20 discs in rear
EBC Greenstuff DP21948 up front
EBC Greenstuff DP21949 in rear

Wonderful stuff. And EBC is English and I had to wait a long time to get them from England so that might be easier for you. 

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Very important whoever buys EBC brake pads for hybrid cars only to pick Ultimax series as these are only suitable for hybrids , the other coloured series are specifically made for sport type of driving and does not perform well when cold, Toyota hybrids brakes are mostly cold in normal use even going downhill. Auris hybrid also uses two different type brakes systems, you need to know which one is your car before order. 👍

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2 hours ago, TonyHSD said:

Very important whoever buys EBC brake pads for hybrid cars only to pick Ultimax series as these are only suitable for hybrids , the other coloured series are specifically made for sport type of driving and does not perform well when cold, Toyota hybrids brakes are mostly cold in normal use even going downhill. Auris hybrid also uses two different type brakes systems, you need to know which one is your car before order. 👍

Tony - it's insight like this that is pute gold. Can you expand on this - and how I would ascertain which brake system I have on my vehicle.

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7 hours ago, Kojac said:

Tony - it's insight like this that is pute gold. Can you expand on this - and how I would ascertain which brake system I have on my vehicle.

If your car is T-spirit with 17” wheels you have the larger disc same as RAV4 and Prius plus, if you have 15” wheels you have smaller ones from Prius . There are some exceptions where T4 models comes with smaller discs and larger 17” wheels, when you look for parts can  use  vin number. 
This pads are exclusive to the larger brake disc: Advics front system 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301778142944

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291597929694

Akebono rear and larger wheels on T- spirit trim. 
 

 

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If it helps, my 2011 Auris hybrid has 17" wheels & Advics brakes. These are the relevant Toyota part numbers:

Front disks   43512-42050      296mm dia                                     (Textar  92168803)
Front pads    04465-42180   T04465-YZZDY   w 146.5  ht 56.8  (Textar   2433701)

Rear discs  42431 02190   259mm dia
Rear pads   04466 12150

When I replaced my rear pads & discs I found I could get genuine Toyota parts at good prices from Toyota dealers on Ebay.
 

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iirc the OEM is TMD Friction - so thats Textar, Mintex, Pagid, Don and Nisshinbo

 

I like the compound of Mintex pads as they are not as hard as the Toyota ones and don't dust up as much

 

oem

42431 02190 £90 a pair, less discount

04466 12150 £43 a set, less discount

 

Mintex - £18 for the pads, £45 for the discs  (can be found cheaper)

 

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I changed front pads and discs for a neighbour, a couple of years ago. They were Textar pads (made in France) and no maker's i/d on the discs which were made in Italy.

I got what I thought was a good deal, on evilbay, from a Toyota dealer. I think the four pads and two discs were around £75 delivered! It's possibly sometimes worth keeping an eye on prices there.

Genuine Toyota 0W20 can be had for a comparitively good price too (5 litre). In fact the last 5 litre I bought was cheaper than ECP's Triple QX 0W20 at the time.

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Question:

At what remaining depth, do Toyota 'suggest' changing:

A) Pads front

B) Pads rear

& also..

C) Rotors front

D) Rotors rear 

I'm guessing there are two sets of advisory?

1) RECOMMENDED change depth (best practice)

and then

2) BARE minimum

Q: I am seeking help with finding out what the "BARE minimum" for A-D for my specific vehicle (in first post) are.

(If the "RECOMMENDED change depth" for A-D is also available - it'd help many others on the forum too).

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If your pads have squeelers on them, they'll let you know when they are worn to the point that they need changed.

The discs might have the tolerances stamped on them.

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Front discs thickness 26mm minimum thickness 24.5mm

Rear discs thickness 10mm minimum thickness 9mm 

Very tight tolerance, if there are any deep lips or a lot of rust on them can easily fail you Mot but all depends of the garage, plus they never measure that. Pads can go as low as 3mm but you have squealers as mentioned and you hear them squealing when car moves and stop squealing when you press the brakes. 

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