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It has been an interesting read this, I went for a blitz panel filter in favour of all the other options and have been made up with it, you get a nice induction noise from it and it seems to be very good quality, I checked the filter the other day after it being in for a few months removed a little bit of debris after that it looked brand new, well worth the money imho

Thats cool Rick, I wasn't having a go at you, just saying a new car should be better really :-) Although perhaps comparisons on things like MPG vs a Hybrid are a little unfair? Just as comparing a CTR to T/SR180 for road noise is too? Just a thought anyhow. RE: VSC & TC and my moments in my CTR, I did buy decent rubber, infact I got shot of Yoko Parada's because they were lethal in the wet and returned to P-Zero Nero's (which are very good in the wet). The issue wasn't that the car oversteered, it was the lack of warning or feel prior to it. In the wet my CTR was plain dangerous, irrelavent of tyres, suspension(oem, tein coilovers, tein springs)and the alignment (I had fast road, oem & a very aggressive setup at one point) all done professionally by my friends at TDI. Having driven other CTR's most of them were far better than mine in that respect, but a couple were the same. It's not something you want when you're driving home from work on a cold Decemeber evening and drive round a corner and although the car in front went round ok, you're suddenly having to catch the rear of the car. I'd not be complaining if it was during a spirited drive, or I'd provoked it, but when you're pootling along it's the last thing you need. I think the facelifted CTRs were far less snappy. All that said if Honda do a CRZ Type R I'll be in for that, as I want something with a bit of power, good mpg and decent reliability.

i should think the taxi fleets in New YORk or any large city are running 24/7 are hardly cooling down which pretty good for any engine.but they are not eactly being stressed by high speed running.and as being normaly asperated engine the oil in them is not subjected to the high temps of a turbo.if you put a basic mineral oil in a turbo engine then your asking for trouble,and will get it.

The grass is not always greener, when I wrote the above the T180 was doing good on fuel but over the next 18months the 40-44mpg dropped to 28-32mpg with no explanation form Toyota or faults that could be found. We also had warranty work carried out I think 11 times in 2 years + 2 x recalls which is an high amount but was the T180 a bad car? well no and we loved the keyless entry and the overhaul package of the car but was left very disappointed in the end by a car that does not do anywhere near close to what Toyota say it can do yet Toyota say there is nothing wrong with the car. I will be honest and say we bought a CRZ and 5 months later I can say for sure this is one of the best cars we have ever had and just a shame the back seat is useless unless your 4ft tall but again we did know this when we bought the car and as for driving style we now know the poor MPG was not our driving style as we are returning around 49MPG every week for short 10min drive to work and around town. on your comments here is my opinion - MPG (avg 44 over a few tanks when 1st bought the car but 18months later that was around 28-32), was better than the CTR at first but in the end was no cheaper to run but the CRZ on average is returning at least 70% more than we got out of the T180 when we got rid and the worst tank we have had to date was 45MPG when the weather was cold. + The ride, softer far better on the motorway which helps a lot with cruise control but not as soggy as a standard hatchback. + The image or lack of, it doesn't attract the sort of attention that the CTR did or the dents in carpark form jealous scum, which is nice when you're not 21 anymore! + Far far far less road noise. + Cheaper tax & insurance. + AC that actually does something, well really good climate control and a sunroof. + Better dealerships (Ron Brooks Mansfield fantastic without a doubt) 0 VSC & TC, not required in the dry, but on a wet road I've had some serious 'moments' in the CTR. Dont agree here should buy good rubber and not drive like an idiot. - Not as fun to drive, the CTR is great fun and makes a great noise. - Seats aren't as good, neither is the steering wheel or gearshift. - Doesn't look as nice - Dull reputation - Interior plastics are a biff naff in places and rattle a lot - Stereo was the built in sat nav and looked good but was still naff, the CRZ unit is the best I have ever owned (including after market apart from the little sub) but does lack a display with trick graphics - Not as quick as my previous CTR, and to be fair slower of the line than the CRZ but was very handy once in 3rd gear and up thanks to the turbo but will say for a small engine the CRZ is better than you think and with the electric motor does work very well. What I will say Paul is that the thing is with the T180/SR180 is 50% of people have no problems and the others have loads and get really poor MPG and I hope that yours works out ok, if it does not then like us in a few months you might not fully agree with what you have said above and for sure when we eventually got rid of the T180 I did wonder what I had gained swapping the CTR for it mas the running cost where no cheaper? I will also say the main reason the T180 went was poor MPG creating very high running cost and no warranty left on the car, in the end I come to the conclusion that if we are not driving heavy footed then if the car is returning that bad an MPG (up to 50% less than some owner here claim to get) then an expensive repair was probably on the horizon so decided to cut our loses and swap the car to which I have no regrets at all. When it comes to cost the CRZ new was just over £19k and we bought it with 500mile on the clock so got a decent price and even though we now pay £60pm more for this than the T180 due to cheaper insurance, road tax, better MPG we are around £60pm better off and now have a car with warranty and which is worth more so the decision to swap was not based entirely on the cars but also cost and this did to be fair work out better than we thought by around £30pm. The other plus was this being an Hybrid it will always be more sought after so should help future resale value as well, we did try an Auris Hybrid and did ask for prices from a salesman who could not be bothered to sort this out but to be fair we was not keen on the CVT gearbox and once we tried the CRZ it was no longer an option.

Its the downside of having to carry 5 doors around.

maybe its the size of your head weighing the car down and hence putting extra unnecessary strain on your brakes!?!?

you leave my window forum alone

Thats normal! Even a 2011 plate car will have that regardless of what make and model thats because of the weather or more the rain getting into such places. If your realy worried just grease it.